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From: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
To: Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>
Cc: Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	bsingharora@gmail.com, Marco Elver <elver@google.com>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	syzbot <syzbot+c5d03165a1bd1dead0c1@syzkaller.appspotmail.com>,
	syzkaller-bugs <syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] taskstats: fix data-race
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 15:13:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACT4Y+ahUr11pQQ7=dw80Abj5owUPnPdufbMYvsKLM6iDg5QQg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191024130502.GA11335@andrea.guest.corp.microsoft.com>

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:05 PM Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 01:51:20PM +0200, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:32 PM Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > How these later loads can be completely independent of the pointer
> > > > value? They need to obtain the pointer value from somewhere. And this
> > > > can only be done by loaded it. And if a thread loads a pointer and
> > > > then dereferences that pointer, that's a data/address dependency and
> > > > we assume this is now covered by READ_ONCE.
> > >
> > > The "dependency" I was considering here is a dependency _between the
> > > load of sig->stats in taskstats_tgid_alloc() and the (program-order)
> > > later loads of *(sig->stats) in taskstats_exit().  Roughly speaking,
> > > such a dependency should correspond to a dependency chain at the asm
> > > or registers level from the first load to the later loads; e.g., in:
> > >
> > >   Thread [register r0 contains the address of sig->stats]
> > >
> > >   A: LOAD r1,[r0]       // LOAD_ACQUIRE sig->stats
> > >      ...
> > >   B: LOAD r2,[r0]       // LOAD *(sig->stats)
> > >   C: LOAD r3,[r2]
> > >
> > > there would be no such dependency from A to C.  Compare, e.g., with:
> > >
> > >   Thread [register r0 contains the address of sig->stats]
> > >
> > >   A: LOAD r1,[r0]       // LOAD_ACQUIRE sig->stats
> > >      ...
> > >   C: LOAD r3,[r1]       // LOAD *(sig->stats)
> > >
> > > AFAICT, there's no guarantee that the compilers will generate such a
> > > dependency from the code under discussion.
> >
> > Fixing this by making A ACQUIRE looks like somewhat weird code pattern
> > to me (though correct). B is what loads the address used to read
> > indirect data, so B ought to be ACQUIRE (or LOAD-DEPENDS which we get
> > from READ_ONCE).
> >
> > What you are suggesting is:
> >
> > addr = ptr.load(memory_order_acquire);
> > if (addr) {
> >   addr = ptr.load(memory_order_relaxed);
> >   data = *addr;
> > }
> >
> > whereas the canonical/non-convoluted form of this pattern is:
> >
> > addr = ptr.load(memory_order_consume);
> > if (addr)
> >   data = *addr;
>
> No, I'd rather be suggesting:
>
>   addr = ptr.load(memory_order_acquire);
>   if (addr)
>     data = *addr;
>
> since I'd not expect any form of encouragement to rely on "consume" or
> on "READ_ONCE() + true-address-dependency" from myself.  ;-)

But why? I think kernel contains lots of such cases and it seems to be
officially documented by the LKMM:
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/tools/memory-model/Documentation/explanation.txt
address dependencies and ppo
Am I missing something? Why do we need acquire with address dependency?

> IAC, v6 looks more like:
>
>   addr = ptr.load(memory_order_consume);
>   if (!!addr)
>     *ptr = 1;
>   data = *ptr;
>
> to me (hence my comments/questions ...).
>
> Thanks,
>   Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-24 13:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-05  4:26 KCSAN: data-race in taskstats_exit / taskstats_exit syzbot
2019-10-05  4:29 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-05 11:29   ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-05 11:28 ` [PATCH] taskstats: fix data-race Christian Brauner
2019-10-05 13:33   ` Marco Elver
2019-10-05 14:15     ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-05 14:34       ` Marco Elver
2019-10-06 10:00   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-06 10:59     ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-06 23:52   ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-07  7:31     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-07  9:29       ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-07 10:40     ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-07 10:50       ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-07 11:01       ` [PATCH v2] " Christian Brauner
2019-10-07 13:18         ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-07 13:28           ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-07 13:50           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-07 13:55             ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-07 14:08               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-07 14:10                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-07 14:14             ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-07 14:18               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-08 14:20                 ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-08 14:24                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-08 15:26                     ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-08 15:35                       ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-08 15:44                         ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-09 11:31                           ` [PATCH] " Christian Brauner
2019-10-09 11:40                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-09 11:48                             ` [PATCH v5] " Christian Brauner
2019-10-09 12:08                               ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-09 13:26                               ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-21 11:33                               ` [PATCH v6] " Christian Brauner
2019-10-21 12:19                                 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2019-10-21 13:04                                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-11-29 17:56                                     ` Will Deacon
2019-11-30 15:08                                       ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-23 12:16                                 ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-23 12:39                                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-23 13:11                                     ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-23 13:20                                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-24 11:31                                     ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-24 11:51                                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-24 13:05                                         ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-24 13:13                                           ` Dmitry Vyukov [this message]
2019-10-24 13:21                                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-24 13:34                                               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-24 13:43                                             ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-24 13:58                                               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-24 14:40                                                 ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-24 14:49                                                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-11-29 17:57                                 ` Will Deacon
2019-10-09 11:48                             ` [PATCH] " Marco Elver
2019-10-09 11:53                               ` Christian Brauner
2019-11-06  0:27   ` Balbir Singh
2019-11-06  0:09 ` KCSAN: data-race in taskstats_exit / taskstats_exit Balbir Singh
2019-11-06 10:23   ` Marco Elver
2019-11-07 10:39     ` Balbir Singh
2019-11-08  0:54     ` Balbir Singh
2019-11-08  8:55       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-11-09  3:42         ` Balbir Singh

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