From: Ryan Chen <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>
To: jlee@suse.com
Cc: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
oneukum@suse.com, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
ebiggers@google.com, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
smueller@chronox.de, denkenz@gmail.com,
Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kookoo.gu@intel.com, Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4][RFC v2] Introduce the in-kernel hibernation encryption
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 00:09:08 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADjb_WQoa7eDhioZ8iVAzc8=BnBMbJyMCCLyxxgLjnzxi-R6XQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180803140443.GD4244@linux-l9pv.suse>
On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:06 PM joeyli <jlee@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 09:14:22PM +0800, Ryan Chen wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 1:35 PM joeyli <jlee@suse.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 11:37:02AM +0800, Yu Chen wrote:
> > > > Hi Joey,
> > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 01:04:15AM +0800, joeyli wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 04:14:04PM +0800, joeyli wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 09:30:46AM +0200, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> > > > > > > On Di, 2018-07-24 at 00:23 +0800, Yu Chen wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good point, we once tried to generate key in kernel, but people
> > > > > > > > suggest to generate key in userspace and provide it to the
> > > > > > > > kernel, which is what ecryptfs do currently, so it seems this
> > > > > > > > should also be safe for encryption in kernel.
> > > > > > > > https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-crypto/msg33145.html
> > > > > > > > Thus Chun-Yi's signature can use EFI key and both the key from
> > > > > > > > user space.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ecryptfs can trust user space. It is supposed to keep data
> > > > > > > safe while the system is inoperative. The whole point of Secure
> > > > > > > Boot is a cryptographic system of trust that does not include
> > > > > > > user space.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I seriously doubt we want to use trusted computing here. So the
> > > > > > > key needs to be generated in kernel space and stored in a safe
> > > > > > > manner. As we have a saolution doing that, can we come to ausable
> > > > > > > synthesis?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > Oliver
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Crurently there have two solutions, they are trusted key and EFI key.
> > > > > > Both of them are generated in kernel and are not visible in user space.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The trusted key is generated by kernel then sealed by the TPM's
> > > > > > SRK. So the trusted key can be stored in anywhere then be enrolled
> > > > > > to kernel when we need it. EVM already uses it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The EFI key is Jiri Kosina's idea. It is stored in boot services
> > > > > > variable, which means that it can only be access by signed EFI binary
> > > > > > (e.g. signed EFI boot stub) when secure boot be enabled. SLE applied
> > > > > > this solution a couple of years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am working on put the EFI key to key retention service. Then
> > > > > > EFI key can be a master key of encrypted key. EVM can also use
> > > > > > it:
> > > > > > https://github.com/joeyli/linux-s4sign/commit/bae39460393ada4c0226dd07cd5e3afcef86b71f
> > > > > > https://github.com/joeyli/linux-s4sign/commit/f552f97cc3cca5acd84f424b7f946ffb5fe8e9ec
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's why I want to use key retention service in hibernation
> > > > > > encryption/authentication. Which means that we can use key
> > > > > > API to access trusted key and EFI key.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a proof of concept for using the key retention service
> > > > > to encrypt/sign snapshot image. It's using EFI key now, I will
> > > > > add encrypted key support in the key handler later:
> > > > > https://github.com/joeyli/linux-s4sign/commit/6311e97038974bc5de8121769fb4d34470009566
> > > > >
> > > > Thanks for the work, I have two questions here:
> > >
> > > My EFI key patch set is almost done. I will send it soon.
> > >
> > Okay, please send them out then we can have further discussion
> > on that.
> > > > 1. Could you please describe a little more about the scenario on
> > > > how the user could use the secret key for hibernation encryption?
> > > > A requirement is that, the user should provide a passphrase(for key derivation, i.e.)
> > > > during resume. I was thinking how user could interact with
> > > > the security key mechanism here.
> > > >
> > >
> > > User space doesn't need to involve. The EFI root key is generated by
> > > EFI boot stub and be transfer to kernel. It's stored in EFI boot service
> > > variable that it can only be accessed by trusted EFI binary when
> > > secure boot is enabled.
> > >
> > Okay, this apply to the 'suspend' phase, right?
> > I'm still a little confused about the 'resume' phase.
> > Taking encryption as example(not signature),
> > the purpose of doing hibernation encryption is to prevent other users
> > from stealing ram content. Say, user A uses a passphrase to generate the
> > key and encrypted the hibernation snapshot and stores it on the disk .
> > Then if user
> > B wants to do a hibernation resume to A's previous environment, B has
> > to provide the same passphrase.
> > If I understand correctly, the secret key is saved in header and stored
> > on the disk. Which means, any one can read the header from the disk
> > to get the secret key in trampoline thus decrypt the image, which is not
> > safe.
>
> The secret key that it's saved in snapshot header is a session key which
> is encrypted by ERK (EFI root key). The ERK only lives in kernel space.
> So the session key is still secure.
>
> When resume, the session key will be decrypted/verified by ERK. Then
> kernel uses the session key to decrypted/verified snapshot image.
>
OK, I see.
> Of course that we can direct use ERK to encrypt/authenticate snapshot
> image. Actually the first version of hibernation verification in SLE
> direct uses ERK. So the snapshot header only keeps signature but no
> encrypted session key.
>
> I add session key in new version because I want to align with
> the use case of TPM trusted key + encrypted key. Then hibernation
> can use key retention service API to access EFI key or encrypted key.
>
> Compare the trusted key with EFI secure key:
>
> TPM SRK ----seal-----> Trusted key ---encrypt---> Encrypted key
> ERK ---encrypt---> EFI secure key ---encrypt---> Encrypted key
>
> Both of them can be the master key of encrypted key.
>
So either Trusted key or EFI secure key(session key) could be used
for snapshot encryption, right?
> If EFI key can not be accepted by kernel community, then the TPM
> trusted key + encrypted key will be the only solution. We can very
> easy to switch to encrypted key by using key retention service
> API.
>
Back to question raised previously, how could TPM or EFI key be used to
prevent user B from resuming to the environment of A? It appears to me
that, although A is the user who launches the hibernation, B could
resume to the context of A because there's no certification during
resume. Is there any way to introduce the password based verification?
Best,
Yu
> Thanks a lot!
> Joey Lee
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-08-03 16:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-18 16:38 [PATCH 0/4][RFC v2] Introduce the in-kernel hibernation encryption Chen Yu
2018-07-18 16:39 ` [PATCH 1/4][RFC v2] PM / Hibernate: Add helper functions for " Chen Yu
2018-07-18 16:39 ` [PATCH 2/4][RFC v2] PM / hibernate: Install crypto hooks " Chen Yu
2018-07-18 16:40 ` [PATCH 4/4][RFC v2] tools: create power/crypto utility Chen Yu
2018-07-18 20:22 ` [PATCH 0/4][RFC v2] Introduce the in-kernel hibernation encryption Pavel Machek
2018-07-18 23:58 ` Yu Chen
2018-07-19 11:01 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-19 13:20 ` Yu Chen
2018-07-20 10:25 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-23 11:42 ` Oliver Neukum
2018-07-23 12:22 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-23 16:38 ` Yu Chen
2018-07-24 12:05 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-24 11:49 ` Oliver Neukum
2018-07-24 13:04 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-23 16:23 ` Yu Chen
2018-07-24 11:40 ` Oliver Neukum
2018-07-24 12:01 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-24 12:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2018-07-24 13:03 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-24 13:01 ` Oliver Neukum
2018-07-26 7:30 ` Oliver Neukum
2018-07-26 8:14 ` joeyli
2018-07-30 17:04 ` joeyli
2018-08-03 3:37 ` Yu Chen
2018-08-03 5:34 ` joeyli
2018-08-03 13:14 ` Ryan Chen
2018-08-03 14:05 ` joeyli
2018-08-03 16:09 ` Ryan Chen [this message]
2018-08-03 18:06 ` joeyli
2018-08-05 10:02 ` Pavel Machek
2018-08-06 8:45 ` Yu Chen
2018-08-06 10:39 ` joeyli
2018-08-07 7:43 ` Yu Chen
2018-08-07 16:27 ` joeyli
2018-08-08 17:58 ` Pavel Machek
2018-08-09 3:43 ` Yu Chen
2018-08-09 8:12 ` joeyli
2018-08-08 17:50 ` Pavel Machek
2018-08-09 3:01 ` Yu Chen
2018-08-09 6:53 ` Pavel Machek
2018-08-09 9:03 ` Oliver Neukum
2018-08-09 15:55 ` joeyli
2018-08-06 7:57 ` Yu Chen
2018-08-06 9:48 ` joeyli
2018-08-06 10:07 ` Yu Chen
2018-08-06 10:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2018-08-07 7:38 ` Yu Chen
2018-08-07 7:49 ` Ryan Chen
2018-08-07 10:04 ` Oliver Neukum
2018-07-24 14:47 ` joeyli
2018-07-19 14:58 ` joeyli
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2018-07-19 5:32 ` [PATCH 3/4][RFC v2] PM / Hibernate: Encrypt the snapshot pages before submitted to the block device Yu Chen
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