From: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/2] modules:capabilities: add a per-task modules autoload restriction
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 03:19:55 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEiveUeHk4TkfGbLzomDUB3WB7eV=ts_64BL3SDVvrCKkrPW=Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEiveUcx8fwQgXdLPeMNsTjX2KPhQKH__a-XzcHko_1aCmh4sg@mail.gmail.com>
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 2:12 AM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
> [...]
>>>> I personally like my implicit_rights idea, and it might be interesting
>>>> to prototype it.
>>>
>>> I don't like blocking a needed feature behind a large super-feature
>>> that doesn't exist yet. We'd be able to refactor this code into using
>>> such a thing in the future, so I'd prefer to move ahead with this
>>> since it would stop actual exploits.
>>
>> I don't think the super-feature is so hard, and I think we should not
>> add the per-task thing the way it's done in this patch. Let's not add
>> per-task things where the best argument for their security is "not
>> sure how it would be exploited".
>
> Actually the XFRM framework CVE-2017-7184 [1] is one real example, of
> course there are others. The exploit was used on a generic distro
> during a security contest that distro is Ubuntu. That distro will
> never provide a module autoloading restriction by default to not harm
> it's users. Consumers or containers/sandboxes then can run their
> confined apps using such facilities.
>
> These bugs will stay in embedded devices that use these generic
> distros for ever.
The DCCP CVE-2017-6074 exploit:
http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2017/q1/503
Well, pretty sure there is more... the bugs are real, as their
exploits. Anyway I think these features can coexist as they are
optional, and most process trees protections can get along by design.
--
tixxdz
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-04-22 1:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-04-19 22:20 [PATCH v3 0/2] modules:capabilities: automatic module loading restrictions Djalal Harouni
2017-04-19 22:20 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] modules:capabilities: automatic module loading restriction Djalal Harouni
2017-04-19 23:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-20 2:22 ` Ben Hutchings
2017-04-20 12:44 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-04-20 15:02 ` Ben Hutchings
2017-04-20 20:39 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-20 21:28 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-19 22:20 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] modules:capabilities: add a per-task modules autoload restriction Djalal Harouni
2017-04-19 22:38 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-19 23:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-19 23:43 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-20 2:41 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-21 23:19 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-21 23:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-21 23:40 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-21 23:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-22 0:12 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-22 1:19 ` Djalal Harouni [this message]
2017-04-22 6:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-22 19:29 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 14:25 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-24 18:02 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 18:35 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-21 23:52 ` Casey Schaufler
2017-04-22 0:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-22 0:13 ` Casey Schaufler
2017-04-22 6:45 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-22 12:17 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-04 13:07 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-04 14:58 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-05-05 13:06 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-05 16:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-20 1:57 ` kbuild test robot
2017-04-24 4:29 ` Rusty Russell
2017-04-26 9:06 ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-27 2:07 ` Rusty Russell
2017-04-27 13:16 ` Djalal Harouni
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