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From: Saravana Kannan <saravanak@google.com>
To: Marco Felsch <m.felsch@pengutronix.de>
Cc: Andrzej Hajda <a.hajda@samsung.com>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@arm.com>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy@linux.intel.com>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Ferry Toth <fntoth@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Ujfalusi <peter.ujfalusi@ti.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Android Kernel Team <kernel-team@android.com>, nd <nd@arm.com>,
	kernel@pengutronix.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] driver core: Break infinite loop when deferred probe can't be satisfied
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 00:30:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGETcx_aSnVfdng5U7s7KNABxNwQQTuZXMWwUi7SPDNMJDh1bw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200609064511.7nek2rhk6ebfjaia@pengutronix.de>

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 11:45 PM Marco Felsch <m.felsch@pengutronix.de> wrote:
>
> On 20-06-08 13:11, Andrzej Hajda wrote:
> >
> > On 08.06.2020 11:17, Marco Felsch wrote:
> > > On 20-03-26 18:31, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 03:01:22PM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> > >>> On 25/03/2020 12:51, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 08:29:01PM -0700, Saravana Kannan wrote:
> > >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:38 AM Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Consider the following scenario.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The main driver of USB OTG controller (dwc3-pci), which has the following
> > >>>>>> functional dependencies on certain platform:
> > >>>>>> - ULPI (tusb1210)
> > >>>>>> - extcon (tested with extcon-intel-mrfld)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Note, that first driver, tusb1210, is available at the moment of
> > >>>>>> dwc3-pci probing, while extcon-intel-mrfld is built as a module and
> > >>>>>> won't appear till user space does something about it.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> This is depicted by kernel configuration excerpt:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>        CONFIG_PHY_TUSB1210=y
> > >>>>>>        CONFIG_USB_DWC3=y
> > >>>>>>        CONFIG_USB_DWC3_ULPI=y
> > >>>>>>        CONFIG_USB_DWC3_DUAL_ROLE=y
> > >>>>>>        CONFIG_USB_DWC3_PCI=y
> > >>>>>>        CONFIG_EXTCON_INTEL_MRFLD=m
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> In the Buildroot environment the modules are probed by alphabetical ordering
> > >>>>>> of their modaliases. The latter comes to the case when USB OTG driver will be
> > >>>>>> probed first followed by extcon one.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> So, if the platform anticipates extcon device to be appeared, in the above case
> > >>>>>> we will get deferred probe of USB OTG, because of ordering.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Since current implementation, done by the commit 58b116bce136 ("drivercore:
> > >>>>>> deferral race condition fix") counts the amount of triggered deferred probe,
> > >>>>>> we never advance the situation -- the change makes it to be an infinite loop.
> > >>>>> Hi Andy,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'm trying to understand this sequence of steps. Sorry if the questions
> > >>>>> are stupid -- I'm not very familiar with USB/PCI stuff.
> > >>>> Thank you for looking into this. My answer below.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> As a first thing I would like to tell that there is another example of bad
> > >>>> behaviour of deferred probe with no relation to USB. The proposed change also
> > >>>> fixes that one (however, less possible to find in real life).
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> ---8<---8<---
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [   22.187127] driver_deferred_probe_trigger <<< 1
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ...here is the late initcall triggers deferred probe...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [   22.191725] platform dwc3.0.auto: deferred_probe_work_func in deferred list
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ...dwc3.0.auto is the only device in the deferred list...
> > >>>>> Ok, dwc3.0.auto is the only unprobed device at this point?
> > >>>> Correct.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> [   22.198727] platform dwc3.0.auto: deferred_probe_work_func 1 <<< counter 1
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ...the counter before mutex is unlocked is kept the same...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [   22.205663] platform dwc3.0.auto: Retrying from deferred list
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ...mutes has been unlocked, we try to re-probe the driver...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [   22.211487] bus: 'platform': driver_probe_device: matched device dwc3.0.auto with driver dwc3
> > >>>>>> [   22.220060] bus: 'platform': really_probe: probing driver dwc3 with device dwc3.0.auto
> > >>>>>> [   22.238735] bus: 'ulpi': driver_probe_device: matched device dwc3.0.auto.ulpi with driver tusb1210
> > >>>>>> [   22.247743] bus: 'ulpi': really_probe: probing driver tusb1210 with device dwc3.0.auto.ulpi
> > >>>>>> [   22.256292] driver: 'tusb1210': driver_bound: bound to device 'dwc3.0.auto.ulpi'
> > >>>>>> [   22.263723] driver_deferred_probe_trigger <<< 2
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ...the dwc3.0.auto probes ULPI, we got successful bound and bumped counter...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [   22.268304] bus: 'ulpi': really_probe: bound device dwc3.0.auto.ulpi to driver tusb1210
> > >>>>> So where did this dwc3.0.auto.ulpi come from?
> > >>>>> Looks like the device is created by dwc3_probe() through this call flow:
> > >>>>> dwc3_probe() -> dwc3_core_init() -> dwc3_core_ulpi_init() ->
> > >>>>> dwc3_ulpi_init() -> ulpi_register_interface() -> ulpi_register()
> > >>>> Correct.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> [   22.276697] platform dwc3.0.auto: Driver dwc3 requests probe deferral
> > >>>>> Can you please point me to which code patch actually caused the probe
> > >>>>> deferral?
> > >>>> Sure, it's in drd.c.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> if (device_property_read_string(dev, "linux,extcon-name", &name) == 0) {
> > >>>>     edev = extcon_get_extcon_dev(name);
> > >>>>     if (!edev)
> > >>>>       return ERR_PTR(-EPROBE_DEFER);
> > >>>>     return edev;
> > >>>> }
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> ...but extcon driver is still missing...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [   22.283174] platform dwc3.0.auto: Added to deferred list
> > >>>>>> [   22.288513] platform dwc3.0.auto: driver_deferred_probe_add_trigger local counter: 1 new counter 2
> > >>>>> I'm not fully aware of all the USB implications, but if extcon is
> > >>>>> needed, why can't that check be done before we add and probe the ulpi
> > >>>>> device? That'll avoid this whole "fake" probing and avoid the counter
> > >>>>> increase. And avoid the need for this patch that's touching the code
> > >>>>> code that's already a bit delicate.
> > >>>>> Also, with my limited experience with all the possible drivers in the
> > >>>>> kernel, it's weird that the ulpi device is added and probed before we
> > >>>>> make sure the parent device (dwc3.0.auto) can actually probe
> > >>>>> successfully.
> > >>>> As I said above the deferred probe trigger has flaw on its own.
> > >>>> Even if we fix for USB case, there is (and probably will be) others.
> > >>> Right here is the driver design bug. A driver's probe() hook should *not*
> > >>> return -EPROBE_DEFER after already creating child devices which may have
> > >>> already been probed.
> > >> Any documentation statement for this requirement?
> > >>
> > >> By the way, I may imagine other mechanisms that probe the driver on other CPU
> > >> at the same time (let's consider parallel modprobes). The current code has a
> > >> flaw with that.
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > sorry for picking this up again but I stumbled above the same issue
> > > within the driver imx/drm driver which is using the component framework.
> > > I end up in a infinity boot loop if I enabled the HDMI (which is the
> > > DesignWare bridge device) and the LVDS support and the LVDS bind return
> > > with EPROBE_DEFER. There are no words within the component framework docs
> > > which says that this is forbidden. Of course we can work-around the
> > > driver-core framework but IMHO this shouldn't be the way to go. I do not
> > > say that we should revert the commit introducing the regression but we
> > > should address this not only by extending the docs since the most
> > > drm-drivers are using the component framework and can end up in the same
> > > situation.
> >
> > I am not sure why do you think this is similar issue.
>
> Because I see trying to bind the device over and over..
>
> > Please describe the issue in more detail. Which drivers defers probe and
> > why, and why do you have infinite loop.
>
> As said I'm currently on the imx-drm driver. The iMX6 devices are
> using the synopsis HDMI IP core and so they are using this bridge device
> driver (drivers/gpu/drm/bridge/synopsys/). The imx-drm driver can be
> build module wise. As example I enabled the LDB and the HDMI support.
> The HDMI driver is composed as platform driver with different
> (sub-)drivers and devices. Those devices are populated by the HDMI core
> driver _probe() function and triggers a driver_deferred_probe_trigger()
> after the driver successfully probed. The LDB driver bind() returns
> -EPROBE_DEFER because the panel we are looking for depends on a defered
> regulator device. Now the defered probe code tries to probe the defered
> devices again because the local-trigger count was changed by the HDMI
> driver and we are in the never ending loop.
>
> > In general deferring probe from bind is not forbidden, but it should be
> > used carefully (as everything in kernel :) ). Fixing deferring probe
> > issues in many cases it is a matter of figuring out 'dependency loops'
> > and breaking them by splitting device initialization into more than one
> > phase.
>
> We are on the way of splitting the imx-drm driver but there are many
> other DRM drivers using the component framework. As far as I can see the
> sunxi8 driver is component based and uses the same HDMI driver. I'm with
> Andy that we should fix that on the common/core place.

I'm not opposed to fixing this at the common/core level if that's
possible, but Andy's patch still has a bug where it might never probe
a device. I still haven't seen an answer to this.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAGETcx_3+YH_LmNUCAAk1OaXk6noHEXxcE+ckkoBqKJJhtpDjQ@mail.gmail.com/

-Saravana

  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-09  7:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-24 17:57 [PATCH v3] driver core: Break infinite loop when deferred probe can't be satisfied Andy Shevchenko
2020-03-25  3:29 ` Saravana Kannan
2020-03-25 12:51   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-03-25 22:08     ` Saravana Kannan
2020-03-26  8:39       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-03-26  9:45         ` Peter Ujfalusi
2020-03-26 12:03           ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-03-26 13:45             ` Grant Likely
2020-03-26 14:23               ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-03-26 11:57         ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-03-26 13:48           ` Grant Likely
2020-03-26 18:45         ` Saravana Kannan
2020-03-26 11:54       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-03-26 14:46         ` Grant Likely
2020-03-26 19:55         ` Saravana Kannan
2020-03-26 15:01     ` Grant Likely
2020-03-26 15:20       ` Grant Likely
2020-03-26 16:31       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-03-26 16:39         ` Greg KH
2020-03-26 18:06           ` Grant Likely
2020-03-27  8:03             ` Greg KH
2020-03-27 12:37               ` Grant Likely
2020-03-27 12:51                 ` Greg KH
2020-06-08  9:17         ` Marco Felsch
2020-06-08 11:11           ` Andrzej Hajda
2020-06-09  6:45             ` Marco Felsch
2020-06-09  7:30               ` Saravana Kannan [this message]
2020-06-09  9:27               ` Andrzej Hajda
2020-06-09 12:10                 ` Marco Felsch
2020-06-09 13:02                   ` Andrzej Hajda
2020-06-09 13:16                   ` Mark Brown
2020-06-08 11:13           ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-06-08 11:59             ` Marco Felsch
2020-06-08 12:11               ` Andy Shevchenko

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