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[209.85.221.52]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ig4-20020a056402458400b0056fe7e308c3sm864578edb.0.2024.04.11.12.14.47 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Apr 2024 12:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-f52.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-346b480e1acso67264f8f.0 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2024 12:14:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXKOx3cTso00QuVF6DOvITsgszu0OIDYi6QC/5CXlHDHbmMEKetHe6ZCJVgotbBxmaR7sMB/EWMLBv/hSxOqeDVsMXOn08JiGr2qihZ X-Received: by 2002:a5d:570b:0:b0:346:44:3910 with SMTP id a11-20020a5d570b000000b0034600443910mr307796wrv.49.1712862887128; Thu, 11 Apr 2024 12:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Linus Torvalds Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2024 12:14:30 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] turbostat 2024.04.10 To: Len Brown Cc: Linux PM list , Linux Kernel Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 11:20, Len Brown wrote: > > ISTR that once upon a time at the kernel summit you expressed a > preference that things like utilities (which sometimes depend on merge > window changes) come in after rc1 is declared to basically stay out of > the way. That may have been true at some point, but probably long ago - the merge windows have been so reliable that it's just not an issue any more. So I'd rather see people hold to the normal release cycle, and aim to have the rc releases for fixes or major problems. We also used to allow entirely new drivers etc outside the release cycle as a "this cannot regress" exception to the normal rules, but that has also been largely abandoned as the release cycle is just short enough that it makes no sense. So the "new hardware support" rule has basically been watered down over the years, and has become a "new hardware IDs are fine" kind of rule, where just adding basically just a PCI ID or OF matching entry or similar is still fine, but no more "whole new drivers". Linus