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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Ahmed S. Darwish" <darwish.07@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Nicholas Mc Guire <hofrat@opentech.at>,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: x86/random: Speculation to the rescue
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 11:26:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=whT=S76NWHVfvvV7Vcx2G+e-QAB=89jykA20a4TRYAT+g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191006182103.GA2394@amd>

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 11:21 AM Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
>
>
> Even without cycle counter... if we _know_ we are trying to generate
> entropy and have MMC available, we don't care about power and
> performance.
>
> So we can just...
>
>    issue read request on MMC
>    while (!interrupt_done)
>          i++
>
> ...and then use i++ as poor man's version of cycle counter.
>
> [We would not want to do that in normal operation, for obvious
> reasons, just when userland is blocked and waiting for entropy.]
>
> Hmm?

I hate it, but it might be worth it for the existing timer thing
alternative when we don't have a cycle counter.

Then we'd have _something_ for those bad embedded devices.

I still absolutely hate the idea of doing disk IO for this.

               Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-06 18:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-28 22:24 x86/random: Speculation to the rescue Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-28 23:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-29  7:40   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-29  8:05   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2019-09-30  1:16   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-30  2:59     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-30  6:10       ` Borislav Petkov
2019-09-30 16:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-10-01 13:51           ` Borislav Petkov
2019-10-01 17:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-10-01 17:50               ` [PATCH] char/random: Add a newline at the end of the file Borislav Petkov
2019-09-30 18:05         ` x86/random: Speculation to the rescue Kees Cook
2019-09-30  3:37     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-09-30 13:16       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-09-30 16:15         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-30 16:32           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-30 17:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-10-01 10:28           ` David Laight
2019-10-15 21:50             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-01 16:15   ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2019-10-01 16:37     ` Kees Cook
2019-10-01 17:18       ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2019-10-01 17:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-10-06 12:07       ` Pavel Machek
2019-10-02 12:01     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-06 11:41   ` Pavel Machek
2019-10-06 17:26     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-10-06 17:35       ` Pavel Machek
2019-10-06 18:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-10-06 18:21           ` Pavel Machek
2019-10-06 18:26             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2019-10-07 11:47             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-07 22:18               ` Pavel Machek
2019-10-08 11:33                 ` David Laight
2019-10-09  8:02                   ` Pavel Machek
2019-10-09  9:37                     ` David Laight
2019-10-01  2:14 hgntkwis

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