From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889C8C433DB for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 01:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378DA64E0A for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 01:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232553AbhBMBJy (ORCPT ); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 20:09:54 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:33374 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S232429AbhBMBHg (ORCPT ); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 20:07:36 -0500 Received: from mail-lj1-x232.google.com (mail-lj1-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 115DFC061224 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lj1-x232.google.com with SMTP id c17so148449ljn.0 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux-foundation.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=L6jTxP9hlbcUR9+3iPNQ9HmsqF25QNS6zvjTzXBH5E4=; b=WUNxTILAYi3Kk+wVUIaUVhIr3oaiaHaDjKr023ekUsCD6VQNr+/uPlhMEL6q29t3EB 7gNdhrTjI0bG4chV1tfJBSEWmnvTFlDxKHjMtcZld38+fszGfI/ow6zlOY5oPPFVrq11 U9kc9/PviiJUNwLPvQe5fwcbGhKWs2MNkDWS8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=L6jTxP9hlbcUR9+3iPNQ9HmsqF25QNS6zvjTzXBH5E4=; b=l0l6YnlD/e6q9WxcxBieyg7St+tOwZ0cx83ysGMynHB0nqkQZlVySCDK2sf3yaI8I4 UPnKmO/a/7rzwo/9CBnSZq37uw1Ilp/c7T9Vj58GmULPKI2d6jbu0Zs4IJwUMDMdj3fA f0uh1qao1fNme04mCxrCMrNI8n7PPJCBDdfuRUDLiMnJLEAWFQ1hXKvgkOGgYcfN2cnc ZSDO0I9JTXHfJz83/wheYZccnzqy4cuOGF/Qg9+N11mk7cVmC+2oC727P7DIjeMwHr1w 3/0P/8vh8SPAeJF3t8FOlObPvNwL9rbqd/VPfFUrv3d52K0Cziem6G8KnADQucjfnPNw V4Fg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532bG78xinzQy40ndpZ82Rb2uvgcWkfT7BkoSayNS/0J0e4ZCBQY 0/ghWe4U/nXAL98TyVa8tKmlvLzaETQ/OQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwcNvf+nyF56F17xgpyITE7G0/lKIjrcxkT/9o8L6aZXPJ8T0R9AL4a1b/O6mZS/o5idFKiAg== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:589:: with SMTP id 131mr3134526ljf.336.1613178366332; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lj1-f174.google.com (mail-lj1-f174.google.com. [209.85.208.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p23sm1896094ljh.10.2021.02.12.17.06.04 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lj1-f174.google.com with SMTP id e18so1138608lja.12 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8049:: with SMTP id p9mr3052102ljg.411.1613178363694; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <591237.1612886997@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <1330473.1612974547@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <1330751.1612974783@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <27816.1613085646@warthog.procyon.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <27816.1613085646@warthog.procyon.org.uk> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:05:47 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] fscache: I/O API modernisation and netfs helper library To: David Howells Cc: Matthew Wilcox , Jeff Layton , David Wysochanski , Anna Schumaker , Trond Myklebust , Steve French , Dominique Martinet , Alexander Viro , ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, linux-afs@lists.infradead.org, linux-cachefs@redhat.com, CIFS , linux-fsdevel , "open list:NFS, SUNRPC, AND..." , v9fs-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, Linux Kernel Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:21 PM David Howells wrote: > > Most of the development discussion took place on IRC and waving snippets of > code about in pastebin rather than email - the latency of email is just too > high. There's not a great deal I can do about that now as I haven't kept IRC > logs. I can do that in future if you want. No, I really don't. IRC is fine for discussing ideas about how to solve things. But no, it's not a replacement for actual code review after the fact. If you think email has too long latency for review, and can't use public mailing lists and cc the people who are maintainers, then I simply don't want your patches. You need to fix your development model. This whole "I need to get feedback from whoever still uses irc and is active RIGHT NOW" is not a valid model. It's fine for brainstorming for possible approaches, and getting ideas, sure. Linus