From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-ed1-f46.google.com (mail-ed1-f46.google.com [209.85.208.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07BB85475D for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 22:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux-foundation.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=linuxfoundation.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linux-foundation.org header.i=@linux-foundation.org header.b="VgPOZI+4" Received: by mail-ed1-f46.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5574feb7958so6836604a12.3 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:48:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux-foundation.org; s=google; t=1705013283; x=1705618083; darn=vger.kernel.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=IVTa2Qk/zKb+/z6OaDyalzLK5VKuTWu2RGMKTC1CM0g=; b=VgPOZI+4f8i8Q09HOizwVMdrFwhgA5I0R7KP6rN9xZw8XQrr5ie2l3w4E7A+etrnMv lrUVNuYHG5Y4NZkHhAdGB/xMrsyrcqN9n0ZzOPQLVH/T6VosPVwyo/ZaFlvvHpFtQ/AY f0uqKaBAUTik9B/1q6i3Nbadl2AF3ZkOi9q78= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1705013283; x=1705618083; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=IVTa2Qk/zKb+/z6OaDyalzLK5VKuTWu2RGMKTC1CM0g=; b=BixIHOlZHY4CYKlmdiBrXTadY9Tee0tPQ328EnGKYRSuHMLS2CRU5KZ1Pib87w9w27 y0DQQv7fRMCCH9ifZTmALJ48LCqTdXxQ0+18mv2/+qjfyu9/XeaWN6HrNGiai9k0odSZ aIeMDi0FiymI61SpwPaIgpwXuANMNaMq7X/Fb1JEEWYMHm3VYtpXSauxGncMPDThygfD 1tYAO8rJtxF86YEj7tVyoXh7u30QOvlU4nIpkB+t+38RQm6Ii3J4q8fl5K/Kt3gwXBOu fUgiQONMV4JbKxNq6TYDlfdH8ffKh0HpqJS5Bjb1gF5VV8wy+/BR2iKdr9qUDASjXQPP JJnA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzxChf6SEIjaWYuoFktNBok1tbvHYriC4Mo/mqmRmYuFOJY94Iy TZNRE5T8pVYYZmjnMEAdY7ScESSqxHDzdSrgcsND54KMh4fG6nRr X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFomqBgo8YsM2Em6BBHlGM3IWKTaYkB7XvvAPv+lwVb2p0YiIpbAEJNBx7KSGKgErJAWNBkMw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:6d52:b0:a28:be7f:3ef4 with SMTP id a18-20020a1709066d5200b00a28be7f3ef4mr172727ejt.24.1705013282999; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ej1-f41.google.com (mail-ej1-f41.google.com. [209.85.218.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id vs7-20020a170907a58700b00a2caa85c56csm179611ejc.38.2024.01.11.14.48.02 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ej1-f41.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a29a4f610b1so644188166b.3 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:48:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:7212:b0:a28:b659:cc89 with SMTP id m18-20020a170906721200b00a28b659cc89mr182790ejk.115.1705013281951; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:48:01 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Linus Torvalds Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:47:45 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] first round of SCSI updates for the 6.7+ merge window To: James Bottomley Cc: Andrew Morton , linux-scsi , linux-kernel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 at 14:36, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > Stop making a bad pgp experience even worse - for no reason and > absolutely zero upside. Side note: even getting gpg to show the subkeys was just an exercise in frustration. For example, I'd expect that when you do gpg --list-key E76040DB76CA3D176708F9AAE742C94CEE98AC85 it would show the details of that key. No, it does not. It doesn't even *mention* that key. Because this is gpg, and the project motto was probably "pgp was designed to be hard to use, and by golly, we'll take that to 11". And no, adding "-vv" to get more verbose output doesn't help. That just makes gpg show more *other* keys. Now, obviously, in order to actually show the key I *asked* gpg to list, I also have to use the "--with-subkey-fingerprint". OBVIOUSLY. I can hear everybody go all Homer on me and say "Well, duh, dummy". So yes, I realize that my frustration with pgp is because I'm just too stupid to understand how wonderful the UX really is, but my point is that you're really making it worse by using pointless features that actively makes it all so much less usable than it already is. Subkeys and expiration date make a bad experience worse. Yes, I blame myself for thinking pgp was a good model for tag signing. What can I say? I didn't expect people to actively try to use every bad feature. Linus