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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Sterba <dsterba@suse.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Anton Altaparmakov <anton@tuxera.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] iov_iter: separate direction from flavour
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 13:41:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wj0Q8R_3AxZO-34Gp2sEQAGUKhw7t6g4QtsnSxJTxb7WA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19689998-9dfe-76a8-30d4-162648e04480@roeck-us.net>

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 1:28 PM Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net> wrote:
>
> Turns out that, at least on m68k/nommu, USER_DS and KERNEL_DS are the same.
>
> #define USER_DS         MAKE_MM_SEG(TASK_SIZE)
> #define KERNEL_DS       MAKE_MM_SEG(0xFFFFFFFF)

Ahh. So the code is fine, it's just that "uaccess_kernel()" isn't
something that can be reliably even tested for, and it will always
return true on those nommu platforms.

And we don't have a "uaccess_user()" macro that would test if it
matches USER_DS (and that also would always return true on those
configurations), so we can't just change the

        WARN_ON_ONCE(uaccess_kernel());

into a

        WARN_ON_ONCE(!uaccess_user());

instead.

Very annoying. Basically, every single use of "uaccess_kernel()" is unreliable.

There aren't all that many of them, and most of them are irrelevant
for no-mmu anyway (like the bpf tracing ones, or mm/memory.c). So this
iov_iter.c case is likely the only one that would be an issue.

That warning is something that should go away eventually anyway, but I
_like_ that warning for now, just to get coverage. But apparently it's
just not going to be the case for these situations.

My inclination is to keep it around for a while - to see if it catches
anything else - but remove it for the final 5.14 release because of
these nommu issues.

Of course, I will almost certainly not remember to do that unless
somebody reminds me...

The other alternative would be to just make nommu platforms that have
KERNEL_DS==USER_DS simply do

    #define uaccess_kernel() (false)

and avoid it that way, since that's closer to what the modern
non-CONFIG_SET_FS world view is, and is what include/linux/uaccess.h
does for that case..

               Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-04 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-04 17:29 [PATCH] iov_iter: separate direction from flavour Guenter Roeck
2021-07-04 18:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-04 18:54   ` Guenter Roeck
2021-07-04 19:04     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-04 20:28       ` Guenter Roeck
2021-07-04 20:41         ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2021-07-04 21:47           ` Guenter Roeck
2021-07-04 22:44             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-04 22:47               ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-07-04 22:53                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-04 23:34                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-05  5:17           ` Christoph Hellwig

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