From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3519CC25B50 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 17:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232242AbjAWRn5 (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:43:57 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:54060 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230489AbjAWRnz (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:43:55 -0500 Received: from mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C1641E1EF for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 09:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com with SMTP id m199so94687ybm.4 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 09:43:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MbdRXrDm0G4b0pDa706c1R5MiAQkWSslBdaNrC2lB8E=; b=UKgyvnaqxpZWuAuXbcWe7aJn7XDOmRlf6QqbtRqmjjqrNsksyykciJsCGgdpFt2CQN XaM6W9briujGFL1RejiKuJCKUrqcWGECuEv0OBka8AMNnOltN07JzxO9woC07V5MRuOK lIGOuD1tj2+OitLRlkQ9TOXjMyPT3MOwju8jAeSrJY3jOJu7B0x9/0b4Rr46ORcFPUPL 9m5ShhmVH+bnYWtWaCQ9gf7B6SXzpYPqiyo6wDJ1V+8nI9leCdCm54s2S2l3cLlB1Z/A 1s3Xgs5ERx34l8e2oApkBnckWM17ROseI1caWCFSAoNsCQy8/3j2aKxxnE8MsD360zHk 6R6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=MbdRXrDm0G4b0pDa706c1R5MiAQkWSslBdaNrC2lB8E=; b=m/s2vJq2OtiRmWeAswlERxLVUhG3w0USdS0OK7o9opodz/Y2yWBq5h38/w52VCWgfN nvDxQEfn3NwjcQOnVaja/BpoPSqjy/4FBdD7sS7ujpYqJsG2gwvQUez5V8NR6EIsrSIj EmUQK6uO2Vebp1I2aXITOd9IjJD9T02nPXC9RtIyygQH4wZIRfKWpH0tawqukjxYZuUO uMjVukbiMRWLtJbE5cpiDMD+NWOk3Q5vfy1RCOmss1ae2UsOP4VE0670QQtE9XfbXh0c 32PFnjcsMTRg1tb+OLfZi+kWSzY+zQuEs5psWfNdnc1pbs4McY+JJbUEuFZMqH2EHoe8 mF9w== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqd8bN+JdsYlnYp8+b0Zfv1aSeeSYTGUOruSohdlzRSEZRrrNFS URhtUk5dUS8sZ3HVaV+nW8KRWrkujPGgmvCT/e2vqw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXv3CgHU7SkUBkM9SwlNLny2wsFhjN99Oj3tapcuDlBqTQ5sZwoVRHtRKxpb3b0xJuv4qrd+j5dOi4ahKRGg9aQ= X-Received: by 2002:a25:a408:0:b0:800:28d4:6936 with SMTP id f8-20020a25a408000000b0080028d46936mr1456121ybi.431.1674495833086; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 09:43:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230109205336.3665937-1-surenb@google.com> <20230109205336.3665937-40-surenb@google.com> In-Reply-To: From: Suren Baghdasaryan Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 09:43:41 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH 39/41] kernel/fork: throttle call_rcu() calls in vm_area_free To: Michal Hocko Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, michel@lespinasse.org, jglisse@google.com, vbabka@suse.cz, hannes@cmpxchg.org, mgorman@techsingularity.net, dave@stgolabs.net, willy@infradead.org, liam.howlett@oracle.com, peterz@infradead.org, ldufour@linux.ibm.com, laurent.dufour@fr.ibm.com, paulmck@kernel.org, luto@kernel.org, songliubraving@fb.com, peterx@redhat.com, david@redhat.com, dhowells@redhat.com, hughd@google.com, bigeasy@linutronix.de, kent.overstreet@linux.dev, punit.agrawal@bytedance.com, lstoakes@gmail.com, peterjung1337@gmail.com, rientjes@google.com, axelrasmussen@google.com, joelaf@google.com, minchan@google.com, jannh@google.com, shakeelb@google.com, tatashin@google.com, edumazet@google.com, gthelen@google.com, gurua@google.com, arjunroy@google.com, soheil@google.com, hughlynch@google.com, leewalsh@google.com, posk@google.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:59 AM 'Michal Hocko' via kernel-team wrote: > > On Fri 20-01-23 08:20:43, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 12:52 AM Michal Hocko wrote: > > > > > > On Thu 19-01-23 10:52:03, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 4:59 AM Michal Hocko wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mon 09-01-23 12:53:34, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote: > > > > > > call_rcu() can take a long time when callback offloading is enabled. > > > > > > Its use in the vm_area_free can cause regressions in the exit path when > > > > > > multiple VMAs are being freed. To minimize that impact, place VMAs into > > > > > > a list and free them in groups using one call_rcu() call per group. > > > > > > > > > > After some more clarification I can understand how call_rcu might not be > > > > > super happy about thousands of callbacks to be invoked and I do agree > > > > > that this is not really optimal. > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand I do not like this solution much either. > > > > > VM_AREA_FREE_LIST_MAX is arbitrary and it won't really help all that > > > > > much with processes with a huge number of vmas either. It would still be > > > > > in housands of callbacks to be scheduled without a good reason. > > > > > > > > > > Instead, are there any other cases than remove_vma that need this > > > > > batching? We could easily just link all the vmas into linked list and > > > > > use a single call_rcu instead, no? This would both simplify the > > > > > implementation, remove the scaling issue as well and we do not have to > > > > > argue whether VM_AREA_FREE_LIST_MAX should be epsilon or epsilon + 1. > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree the solution is not stellar. I wanted something simple > > > > but this is probably too simple. OTOH keeping all dead vm_area_structs > > > > on the list without hooking up a shrinker (additional complexity) does > > > > not sound too appealing either. > > > > > > I suspect you have missed my idea. I do not really want to keep the list > > > around or any shrinker. It is dead simple. Collect all vmas in > > > remove_vma and then call_rcu the whole list at once after the whole list > > > (be it from exit_mmap or remove_mt). See? > > > > Yes, I understood your idea but keeping dead objects until the process > > exits even when the system is low on memory (no shrinkers attached) > > seems too wasteful. If we do this I would advocate for attaching a > > shrinker. > > I am still not sure we are on the same page here. No, vmas shouldn't lay > around un ntil the process exit. I am really suggesting queuing only for > remove_vma paths. You can have a different rcu callback than the one > used for trivial single vma removal paths. Oh, I also missed the remove_mt() part and thought you want to drain the list only in exit_mmap(). I think that's a good option! > > -- > Michal Hocko > SUSE Labs > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to kernel-team+unsubscribe@android.com. >