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From: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Thomas Renninger <trenn@suse.com>,
	Kan Liang <kan.liang@intel.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] x86: Move away from /dev/cpu/*/msr
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:41:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJvTdKkoMPZTagM_wRSCwbb=NKfBAU8SNMPz2hZuPhPqq_heFA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160615100029.GB32588@pd.tnic>

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> wrote:
> Hi people,
>
> so we've been talking about this for a long time now - how loading
> msr.ko is not a good thing and how userspace shouldn't poke at random
> MSRs.
>
> So my intention is to move away users in tools/ which did write to MSRs
> through the char dev and replace it with proper sysfs et al interfaces.
> Once that's done, we can start tainting the kernel when writing to MSRs
> from that device or even forbid it completely at some point.
>
> We'll see.
>
> Anyway, here's a first attempt, please scream if something's not right.
> Functionality-wise, it should be equivalent as I'm exporting the
> pref_hint of the IA32_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS in sysfs and it lands under
>
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu?/energy_policy_pref_hint
>
> where anything with sufficient perms can read/write it.

turbostat reads MSRs, but never writes.  And it will still
need /dev/msr for all kinds of counters it reads.  So updating
turbostat to use this new attribute for EPB reads is sort of
a demo, rather than a functional change.

I agree the kernel should be tainted if user-space uses
/dev/msr to scribble on MSRs behind the kernel's back.

When EPB was first invented, I proposed a sysfs attribute to
control it.  But that proposal was system-wide, and affected
more than EPB.  Maybe that was too ambitious.  The
energy_perf_policy utility was a "plan-b".

Recent hardware has an additional MSR field

MSR_IA32_HWP_REQUEST.ENERGY_PERFORMANCE_PREFERENCE
that replaces

MSR_IA32_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS
for the purpose of P-state control.

Both MSRs/fields exist and have effect at the same time.

so the API
energy_policy_pref_hint

will not work -- as it isn't clear which MSR it refers to.

I've updated x86_energy_perf_policy to talk to this MSR
and a number of others for the benefit of HWP.  The
patch is over 1000 lines.  I'll post it shortly.

thanks,
Len Brown, Intel Open Source Technology Center

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-06-15 16:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-15 10:00 [RFC PATCH] x86: Move away from /dev/cpu/*/msr Borislav Petkov
2016-06-15 10:22 ` chenyu
2016-06-15 10:36   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-06-15 14:00     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-06-15 16:41 ` Len Brown [this message]
2016-06-15 16:56   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-06-15 17:21     ` Len Brown
2016-06-15 17:39       ` Borislav Petkov
2016-06-15 17:42         ` Len Brown
2016-06-15 17:52           ` Borislav Petkov
2016-06-20 21:12 ` Andi Kleen

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