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From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: david@lang.hm
Cc: "General Discussion of SQLite Database" <sqlite-users@sqlite.org>,
	"杨苏立 Yang Su Li" <suli@cs.wisc.edu>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	drh@hwaci.com
Subject: Re: [sqlite] light weight write barriers
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:20:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK3OfOh4MEq5PwW5xk07d4fDZi64tF-vgCKYOuA3oq=9PLwyUQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1210241447210.8519@asgard.lang.hm>

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 5:03 PM,  <david@lang.hm> wrote:
> I'm doing some work with rsyslog and it's disk-baded queues and there is a
> similar issue there. The good news is that we can have a version that is
> linux specific (rsyslog is used on other OSs, but there is an existing queue
> implementation that they can use, if the faster one is linux-only, but is
> significantly faster, that's just a win for Linux)
>
> Like what is being described for sqlite, loosing the tail end of the
> messages is not a big problem under normal conditions. But there is a need
> to be sure that what is there is complete up to the point where it's lost.
>
> this is similar in concept to write-ahead-logs done for databases (without
> the absolute durability requirement)
>
> [...]
>
> I am not fully understanding how what you are describing (COW, separate
> fsync threads, etc) would be implemented on top of existing filesystems.
> Most of what you are describing seems like it requires access to the
> underlying storage to implement.
>
> could you give a more detailed explination?

COW is "copy on write", which is actually a bit of a misnomer -- all
COW means is that blocks aren't over-written, instead new blocks are
written.  In particular this means that inodes, indirect blocks, data
blocks, and so on, that are changed are actually written to new
locations, and the on-disk format needs to handle this indirection.

As for fsyn() and background threads... fsync() is synchronous, but in
this scheme we want it to happen asynchronously and then we want to
update each transaction with a pointer to the last transaction that is
known stable given an fsync()'s return.

Nico
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-25  0:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CALwJ=MzHjAOs4J4kGH6HLdwP8E88StDWyAPVumNg9zCWpS9Tdg@mail.gmail.com>
2012-10-10 17:17 ` light weight write barriers Andi Kleen
2012-10-11 16:32   ` [sqlite] " 杨苏立 Yang Su Li
2012-10-11 17:41     ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-10-23 19:53     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-10-24 21:17       ` Nico Williams
2012-10-24 22:03         ` david
2012-10-25  0:20           ` Nico Williams [this message]
2012-10-25  1:04             ` david
2012-10-25  5:18               ` Nico Williams
2012-10-25  6:02                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-25  6:58                   ` david
2012-10-25 14:03                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-25 18:03                       ` david
2012-10-25 18:29                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-11-05 20:03                           ` Pavel Machek
2012-11-05 22:04                             ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                               ` <CALwJ=Mx-uEFLXK2wywekk=0dwrwVFb68wocnH9bjXJmHRsJx3w@mail.gmail.com>
2012-11-05 23:00                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-30 23:49                   ` Nico Williams
2012-10-25  5:42           ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-25  7:11             ` david
2012-10-27  1:52         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-10-25  5:14       ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-25 13:03         ` Alan Cox
2012-10-25 13:50           ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-27  1:55             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-10-27  1:54         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-10-27  4:44           ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-30 22:22             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-10-31  9:54               ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 20:18                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-01 21:24                   ` Alan Cox
2012-11-02  0:15                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-02  0:38                     ` Howard Chu
2012-11-02 12:33                       ` Alan Cox
2012-11-13  3:41                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-13 17:40                           ` Alan Cox
2012-11-13 19:13                             ` Nico Williams
2012-11-15  1:17                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-15 12:07                                 ` David Lang
2012-11-16 15:06                                   ` Howard Chu
2012-11-16 15:31                                     ` Ric Wheeler
2012-11-16 15:54                                       ` Howard Chu
2012-11-16 18:03                                         ` Ric Wheeler
2012-11-16 19:14                                     ` David Lang
2012-11-17  5:02                                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
     [not found]                                   ` <CABK4GYNGrbes2Yhig4ioh-37OXg6iy6gqb3u8A2P2_dqNpMqoQ@mail.gmail.com>
2012-11-17  5:02                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-15 17:06                                 ` Ryan Johnson
2012-11-15 22:35                                   ` Chris Friesen
2012-11-17  5:02                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-20  1:23                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-26 20:05                                         ` Nico Williams
2012-11-29  2:15                                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-15  1:16                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2012-11-13  3:37                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
     [not found]                       ` <CALwJ=MwtFAz7uby+YzPPp2eBG-y+TUTOu9E9tEJbygDQW+s_tg@mail.gmail.com>
2012-11-13  3:41                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
     [not found]           ` <CABK4GYMmigmi7YM9A5Aga21ZWoMKgUe3eX-AhPzLw9CnYhpcGA@mail.gmail.com>
2012-11-13  3:42             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
     [not found]   ` <CALwJ=MyR+nU3zqi3V3JMuEGNwd8FUsw9xLACJvd0HoBv3kRi0w@mail.gmail.com>
2012-10-11 16:38     ` Nico Williams
2012-10-11 16:48       ` Nico Williams

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