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From: Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>
Cc: Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@mellanox.com>,
	Linux Kbuild mailing list <linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	Neil Armstrong <narmstrong@baylibre.com>,
	Laurent Pinchart <Laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	Kieran Bingham <kieran.bingham+renesas@ideasonboard.com>,
	jonas@kwiboo.se, David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	jernej.skrabec@siol.net,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Networking <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] Kconfig: Introduce "uses" keyword
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 05:07:43 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK7LNATmPD1R+Ranis2u3yohx8b0+dGKAvFpjg8Eo9yEHRT6zQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.YSQ.7.76.2004181509030.2671@knanqh.ubzr>

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 4:11 AM Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020, Masahiro Yamada wrote:
>
> > (FOO || !FOO) is difficult to understand, but
> > the behavior of "uses FOO" is as difficult to grasp.
>
> Can't this be expressed as the following instead:
>
>         depends on FOO if FOO
>
> That would be a little clearer.
>
>
> Nicolas



'depends on' does not take the 'if <expr>'

'depends on A if B' is the syntax sugar of
'depends on (A || !B), right ?

I do not know how clearer it would make things.

depends on (m || FOO != m)
is another equivalent, but we are always
talking about a matter of expression.


How important is it to stick to
depends on (FOO || !FOO)
or its equivalents?


If a driver wants to use the feature FOO
in most usecases, 'depends on FOO' is sensible.

If FOO is just optional, you can get rid of the dependency,
and IS_REACHABLE() will do logically correct things.


I do not think IS_REACHABLE() is too bad,
but if it is confusing, we can add one more
option to make it explicit.



config DRIVER_X
       tristate "driver x"

config DRIVER_X_USES_FOO
       bool "use FOO from driver X"
       depends on DRIVER_X
       depends on DRIVER_X <= FOO
       help
         DRIVER_X works without FOO, but
         Using FOO will provide better usability.
         Say Y if you want to make driver X use FOO.



Of course,

      if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_DRIVER_X_USES_FOO))
               foo_init();

works like

      if (IS_REACHABLE(CONFIG_FOO))
                foo_init();


At lease, it will eliminate a question like
"I loaded the module FOO, I swear.
But my built-in driver X still would not use FOO, why?"





-- 
Best Regards
Masahiro Yamada

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-18 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-17  1:11 [RFC PATCH 1/2] Kconfig: Introduce "uses" keyword Saeed Mahameed
2020-04-17  1:11 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] net/mlx5: Kconfig: Use "uses" instead of "imply" Saeed Mahameed
2020-04-17  8:08   ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-04-17  6:23 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] Kconfig: Introduce "uses" keyword Jani Nikula
2020-04-17 12:28   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-04-17 14:01     ` Jani Nikula
2020-04-17 14:07       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-04-17 10:24 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-04-17 11:35   ` Saeed Mahameed
2020-04-18 19:00 ` Masahiro Yamada
2020-04-18 19:11   ` Nicolas Pitre
2020-04-18 20:07     ` Masahiro Yamada [this message]
2020-04-20  8:43       ` Jani Nikula
2020-04-20 18:42         ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-04-21  4:24         ` Saeed Mahameed
2020-04-21 13:58           ` Nicolas Pitre
2020-04-21 16:30             ` Saeed Mahameed
2020-04-21 18:23               ` Nicolas Pitre
2020-04-22  8:51                 ` Jani Nikula
2020-04-22 21:13                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2020-04-22 22:37                     ` Randy Dunlap
2020-04-23 15:01                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2020-04-23 15:05                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-04-23 15:11                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2020-04-23 15:16                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-04-23 15:28                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-04-23 15:33                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2020-04-23 18:30                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-04-23 18:52                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2020-04-20 13:53   ` Jason Gunthorpe

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