From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@gmail.com>,
Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
"maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
<x86@kernel.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Zhenzhong Duan <zhenzhong.duan@oracle.com>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
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clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: work around clang IAS bug referencing __force_order
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:35:14 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a031YiKxYYX5uaVf=y_MJZo-eNwOsbxsVnH0QdoZznNFA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200822102637.GM28786@gate.crashing.org>
On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 12:26 PM Segher Boessenkool
<segher@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
> [ There is GCC 4.9.4, no one should use an older 4.9. ]
>
> I mentioned 5 for a reason: the whole function this patch is to did not
> exist before then! That does not mean the bug existed or did not exist
> before GCC 5, but it does for example mean that a backport to 4.9 or
> older isn't trivial at all.
>
> > I am asking myself who is using such ancient compilers?
>
> Some distros have a GCC 4.8 as system compiler. We allow building GCC
> itself with a compiler that far back, for various reasons as well (and
> this is very sharp already, the last mainline GCC 4.8 release is from
> June 2015, not all that long ago at all).
>
> But, one reason this works is because people actually test it. Does
> anyone actually test the kernel with old compilers? It isn't hard to
> build a new compiler (because we make sure building a newer compiler
> works with older compilers, etc. :-) ), and as you say, most distros
> have newer compilers available nowadays.
We only recently changed the minimum from 4.6 to 4.8, and
subsequently to 4.9. Most people have fairly recent compilers,
but there are a number of notable kernel developers that
intentionally stick to old versions because of compile speed.
Each major compiler release adds about 4% overhead in total time
to compile a kernel, so between gcc-4.6 and gcc-11 you add over
50% in build time.
Arnd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-08-22 10:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-27 13:53 [PATCH] x86: work around clang IAS bug referencing __force_order Arnd Bergmann
2020-08-01 11:50 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-06 22:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-07 7:03 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-04 0:09 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-14 17:29 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-14 21:19 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-14 22:57 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-15 0:26 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-15 3:28 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-15 8:23 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-15 10:46 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-15 14:39 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-16 9:37 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-06 22:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-13 0:12 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-13 8:49 ` David Laight
2020-08-13 17:20 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-13 17:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-13 17:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-08-13 18:09 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-13 18:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-08-20 10:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-20 13:06 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-21 0:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-21 23:04 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-21 23:16 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-21 23:25 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-22 0:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-08-22 3:55 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-22 8:41 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-08-22 9:23 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-22 9:51 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-22 10:26 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-08-22 10:35 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2020-08-22 18:17 ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-08-22 21:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-22 23:10 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-23 0:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-23 1:16 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-23 21:25 ` [PATCH] x86/asm: Replace __force_order with memory clobber Arvind Sankar
2020-08-24 17:50 ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-08-24 19:13 ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-08-25 15:19 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-25 15:21 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-09-02 15:33 ` [PATCH v2] " Arvind Sankar
2020-09-02 15:58 ` David Laight
2020-09-02 16:14 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-09-02 16:08 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-09-02 20:26 ` David Laight
2020-09-02 17:16 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-09-02 17:36 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-09-02 18:19 ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-09-02 18:24 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-09-02 23:21 ` [PATCH v3] " Arvind Sankar
2020-09-03 2:17 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-03 5:34 ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-09-30 20:50 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-01 10:12 ` [tip: x86/asm] x86/asm: Replace __force_order with a " tip-bot2 for Arvind Sankar
2020-10-13 9:30 ` tip-bot2 for Arvind Sankar
2020-08-22 21:17 ` [PATCH] x86: work around clang IAS bug referencing __force_order Arvind Sankar
2020-08-23 13:31 ` David Laight
2020-09-08 22:25 ` Pavel Machek
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