Re: One of these things (CONFIG_HZ) is not like the others..

[Matt Sealey <matt@genesi-usa.com>]

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux
<linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 04:54:31PM -0600, Matt Sealey wrote:
>> Hmm, I think it might be appreciated for people looking at this stuff
>> (same as I stumbled into it) for a little comment on WHY the default
>> is 200. That way you don't wonder even if you know why EBSA110 has a
>> HZ=200 default, why Exynos is lumped in there too (to reduce the
>> number of interrupts firing?
>
> Err, _reduce_ ?
>
> Can you please explain why changing HZ from 100 to 200 is a reduction?

We were talking about HZ=1000 at the time, sorry...

>> Maybe the Exynos timer interrupt is kind
>> of a horrid core NMI kind of thing and it's desirable for it not to be
>> every millisecond,
>
> Huh?  HZ=100 is centisecond intervals...

See above..

> I think you're understanding is just waaaayyyyy off.  That default is
> there because that is the _architecture_ _default_ and there _has_ to
> be a default.  No, including kernel/Kconfig.hz won't give us any kind
> of non-specified default because, as I've already said in one of my
> other mails, you can't supplement Kconfig symbol definitions by
> declaring it multiple times.

Okay, so the real



>> I know where the 60Hz clocksource might come from, the old Amiga
>> platforms have one based on the PSU frequency (50Hz in Europe, 60Hz
>> US/Japan). Even a 60Hz clocksource is useful though (on the Amiga, at
>> least, it is precisely the vsync clock for synchronizing your display
>> output on TV-out, which makes it completely useful for the framebuffer
>> driver), but.. you just won't expect to assign it as sched_clock or
>> your delay timer. And if anyone does I'd expect they'd know full well
>> it'd not run so well.
>
> Except in the UK where it'd be 50Hz for the TV out.  (Lengthy irrelevant
> explanation why this is so for UK cut.)

Read again: "50Hz in Europe".

Australia too. I'm British and I used to have more EU-manufactured
Amigas than I knew what to do with.. so.. just like your NTP story, I
definitely know this already.

>> >From that description, we are booting with standard HZ on ARM, and the
>> core sched_clock (as in we can call setup_sched_clock)
>> and/or/both/optionally using a real delay_timer switch to HRT mode if
>> we have the right equipment available in the kernel and at runtime on
>> the SoC.. but the process scheduler isn't compiled with the means to
>> actually take advantage of us being in HRT mode?
>
> Don't mix sched_clock() into this; it has nothing to do with HZ at all.
> You're confusing your apples with your oranges.

Okay..

>> A simple BUILD_BUG_ON and a BUG_ON right after each other in the
>> appropriate clocksource driver solves that.. if there's an insistence
>> on having at least some rope, we can put them in a field and tell them
>> they have to use the moon to actually hang themselves...
>
> No it doesn't - it introduces a whole load of new ways to make the
> kernel build or boot fail for pointless reasons - more failures, more
> regressions.
>
> No thank you.

But it would effectively stop users drinking kool-aid.. if you set
your HZ to something stupid, you don't even get a kernel to build, and
certainly don't get to boot past the first 40 lines of boot messages..
I think most people would rather a build error, or a runtime
unmistakable, unmissable warning than a subtle and almost
imperceptible skew in NTP synchronization, to use your example.

-- 
Matt Sealey <matt@genesi-usa.com>
Product Development Analyst, Genesi USA, Inc.