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To: Max Filippov Cc: Joey Pabalinas , Theodore Tso , Mark Rosenblitt-Janssen , fche@redhat.com, Rik van Riel , Edward Cree , Olof Johansson , Jonathan Corbet , lkml Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 1:43 PM Max Filippov wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 5:24 PM, jonsmirl@gmail.com = wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 8:05 PM Joey Pabalinas wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 07:31:05PM -0400, jonsmirl@gmail.com wrote: > >>> How do you reconcile working on a public project while keeping email > >>> address secret? > >> > >> This is a little more delicate, and I admit that I can't really > >> think of any real solutions for this part... > > > > But... it this bothers you, simply don't use your private, personal > > email address when working on the kernel. Anyone with the skills to > > work on the kernel should know enough to be able to create email > > aliases. No rule says you have to use your real name either. > > There is such rule: > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.17/process/submitting-patches.html > > chapter "Developer=E2=80=99s Certificate of Origin 1.1" says So the "Developer=E2=80=99s Certificate of Origin 1.1" appears to require permission be given to use the names and email addresses. Those anonymous commits in the logs pre-date the Certificate of Origin. This line in the CoC still looks likely to be a source of future conflict. Say an LWN article reprints a thread on LKML and attributes the quotes. Could the author (a kernel contributor) of the LWN article be attacked via the CoC for attributing the quotes? How can journalism function if public statements can't be quoted without permission? Not everyone participating on LKML has submitted a patch under the Certificate of Origin (thus giving permission for use of name/email). It seems inconsistent to me that the name/address you use to publish messages to a public email list can be considered private information. >From CoC... * Publishing others=E2=80=99 private information, such as a physical or electronic address, without explicit permission > > then you just add a line saying: > Signed-off-by: Random J Developer > using your real name (sorry, no pseudonyms or anonymous contributions.) > > And in general, Developer=E2=80=99s Certificate of Origin > https://developercertificate.org/ > > says > > By making a contribution to this project, I certify that: > ... > (d) I understand and agree that this project and the contribution > are public and that a record of the contribution (including all > personal information I submit with it, including my sign-off) is > maintained indefinitely and may be redistributed consistent with > this project or the open source license(s) involved. > > -- > Thanks. > -- Max --=20 Jon Smirl jonsmirl@gmail.com