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From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@google.com>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"timmurray@google.com" <timmurray@google.com>,
	"joelaf@google.com" <joelaf@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] Minimal non-child process exit notification support
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 12:56:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKOZuetR6_ztfJOe4TMVCX2J5sfuP8XBtG66hmsDkx-KH=CpJw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4beaaae77bea4cc5b4cc15504331c9a9@AcuMS.aculab.com>

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:27 PM, David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote:
> From: Daniel Colascione
>> Sent: 29 October 2018 17:53
>>
>> This patch adds a new file under /proc/pid, /proc/pid/exithand.
>> Attempting to read from an exithand file will block until the
>> corresponding process exits, at which point the read will successfully
>> complete with EOF.  The file descriptor supports both blocking
>> operations and poll(2). It's intended to be a minimal interface for
>> allowing a program to wait for the exit of a process that is not one
>> of its children.
>
> Why do you need an extra file?

Because no current file suffices.

> It ought to be possible to use poll() to wait for POLLERR having set
> 'events' to zero on any of the nodes in /proc/pid - or even on
> the directory itself.

That doesn't actually work today. And waiting on a directory with
POLLERR would be very weird, since directories in general don't do
things like blocking reads or poll support. A separate file with
self-contained, well-defined semantics is cleaner.

> Indeed, to avoid killing the wrong process you need to have opened
> some node of /proc/pid/* (maybe cmdline) before sending the kill
> signal.

The kernel really needs better documentation of the semantics of
procfs file descriptors. You're not the only person to think,
mistakenly, that keeping a reference to a /proc/$PID/something FD
reserves $PID and prevents it being used for another process. Procfs
FDs do no such thing. kill(2) is unsafe whether or not
/proc/pid/cmdline or any other /proc file is open.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-31 12:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-29 17:53 [RFC PATCH] Minimal non-child process exit notification support Daniel Colascione
2018-10-29 19:22 ` [RFC PATCH v2] " Daniel Colascione
2018-11-01  7:00   ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-11-01  7:06     ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-11-01  9:58       ` Christian Brauner
2018-11-01  9:59     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-11-01 10:47       ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-11-01 11:32         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-10-29 19:45 ` [RFC PATCH] " Joel Fernandes
2018-10-29 19:47   ` Joel Fernandes
2018-10-29 20:01   ` Daniel Colascione
2018-10-30  3:06     ` Joel Fernandes
2018-10-30  8:59       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-10-30 22:24         ` Joel Fernandes
2018-10-31 12:27 ` David Laight
2018-10-31 12:56   ` Daniel Colascione [this message]
2018-10-31 14:25     ` David Laight
2018-10-31 14:41       ` Joel Fernandes
2018-10-31 14:43         ` Joel Fernandes
2018-10-31 14:48       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-10-31 16:53 ` Daniel Colascione
     [not found]   ` <175DDE5D-E738-4C35-B664-6AD8B9CF446D@amacapital.net>
2018-10-31 17:44     ` Daniel Colascione

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