From: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>,
Kajetan Puchalski <kajetan.puchalski@arm.com>,
Jian-Min Liu <jian-min.liu@mediatek.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
Vincent Donnefort <vdonnefort@google.com>,
Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@matbug.net>,
Abhijeet Dharmapurikar <adharmap@quicinc.com>,
Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@arm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jonathan JMChen <jonathan.jmchen@mediatek.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/1] sched/pelt: Change PELT halflife at runtime
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:39:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKfTPtAFFZaGSyjNL+9LfDBBR0b9TWw3DwFKJZXURgcf-_W6NA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y/NHvvcgOov6DoLc@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 at 11:13, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 09, 2023 at 05:16:46PM +0100, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>
> > > The results is very similar to PELT halflife reduction. The advantage is
> > > that 'util_est_faster' is only activated selectively when the runtime of
> > > the current task in its current activation is long enough to create this
> > > CPU util boost.
> >
> > IIUC how util_est_faster works, it removes the waiting time when
> > sharing cpu time with other tasks. So as long as there is no (runnable
> > but not running time), the result is the same as current util_est.
>
> Uh.. it's double the speed, no? Even if there is no contention, the
> fake/in-situ pelt sum runs at double time and thus will ramp up faster
> than normal.
Ah yes. I haven't noticed it was (delta * 2) and not delta
>
> > util_est_faster makes a difference only when the task alternates
> > between runnable and running slices.
>
> UTIL_EST was supposed to help mitigate some of that, but yes. Also note
> that _FASTER sorta sucks here because it starts from 0 every time, if it
> were to start from the state saved by util_est_dequeue(), it would ramp
> up faster still.
Yes.
>
> Patch has a comment along those lines I think.
>
> > Have you considered using runnable_avg metrics in the increase of cpu
> > freq ? This takes into the runnable slice and not only the running
> > time and increase faster than util_avg when tasks compete for the same
> > CPU
>
> Interesting! Indeed, that's boosting the DVFS for contention. And as
> deggeman's reply shows, it seems to work well.
>
> I wonder if that one place where it regresses is exactly the case
> without contention.
Yes that might be the case indeed. I would expect uclamp_min to help
for ensuring a min frequency such scenario
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-02-20 13:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-29 5:54 [RFC PATCH 0/1] sched/pelt: Change PELT halflife at runtime Dietmar Eggemann
2022-08-29 5:54 ` [RFC PATCH 1/1] sched/pelt: Introduce PELT multiplier Dietmar Eggemann
2022-08-29 8:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-08-29 10:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-08-29 10:13 ` Vincent Guittot
2022-08-29 14:23 ` Quentin Perret
2022-08-29 14:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-08-29 15:31 ` Quentin Perret
2022-08-29 15:48 ` Quentin Perret
2022-09-02 7:53 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2022-09-02 8:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-06 5:49 ` Vincent Guittot
2022-09-08 6:50 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2022-09-02 7:53 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2022-09-02 8:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-20 14:07 ` [RFC PATCH 0/1] sched/pelt: Change PELT halflife at runtime Jian-Min Liu
2022-09-28 17:09 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2022-09-29 9:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 11:07 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2022-09-29 11:10 ` Kajetan Puchalski
2022-09-29 11:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 14:41 ` Kajetan Puchalski
2022-10-03 22:57 ` Wei Wang
2022-10-04 9:33 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2022-10-05 16:57 ` Wei Wang
2022-11-07 13:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-08 19:48 ` Qais Yousef
2022-11-09 15:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-10 13:25 ` Qais Yousef
2023-02-07 10:29 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-02-09 16:16 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-02-17 13:54 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-02-20 13:54 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-02-21 9:29 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-02-22 20:28 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-03-01 10:24 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-02-22 20:13 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-03-02 19:36 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-02-20 10:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-20 13:39 ` Vincent Guittot [this message]
2023-02-23 15:37 ` Qais Yousef
2023-03-01 10:39 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-03-01 17:24 ` Qais Yousef
2023-03-02 8:00 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-03-02 19:39 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-03-06 19:11 ` Qais Yousef
2023-03-07 13:22 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-03-11 16:55 ` Qais Yousef
2023-03-23 16:29 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-04-03 14:45 ` Qais Yousef
2023-04-06 15:58 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-04-11 17:51 ` Qais Yousef
2022-11-09 15:18 ` Lukasz Luba
2022-11-10 11:16 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2022-11-10 13:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-10 14:59 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2022-11-10 17:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-30 18:14 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2022-12-01 13:37 ` Kajetan Puchalski
2022-11-10 12:45 ` Kajetan Puchalski
2022-11-07 9:41 ` Jian-Min Liu (劉建旻)
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