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From: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
To: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Chris Redpath <Chris.Redpath@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	"open list:THERMAL" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	segall@google.com, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	CCj.Yeh@mediatek.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] sched/fair: Prepare variables for increased precision of EAS estimated energy
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 10:00:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKfTPtAbck=mTR4g9L1hVGzN2dz4PjKNXoDZeMH19HGwpW3Buw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a6a49480-7d5d-fd0e-3940-0b6baac5acc0@arm.com>

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 09:49, Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 7/7/21 8:07 AM, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 at 17:26, Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The Energy Aware Scheduler (EAS) tries to find best CPU for a waking up
> >> task. It probes many possibilities and compares the estimated energy values
> >> for different scenarios. For calculating those energy values it relies on
> >> Energy Model (EM) data and em_cpu_energy(). The precision which is used in
> >> EM data is in milli-Watts (or abstract scale), which sometimes is not
> >> sufficient. In some cases it might happen that two CPUs from different
> >> Performance Domains (PDs) get the same calculated value for a given task
> >> placement, but in more precised scale, they might differ. This rounding
> >> error has to be addressed. This patch prepares EAS code for better
> >> precision in the coming EM improvements.
> >
> > Could you explain why 32bits results are not enough and you need to
> > move to 64bits ?
> >
> > Right now the result is in the range [0..2^32[ mW. If you need more
> > precision and you want to return uW instead, you will have a result in
> > the range  [0..4kW[ which seems to be still enough
> >
>
> Currently we have the max value limit for 'power' in EM which is
> EM_MAX_POWER 0xffff (64k - 1). We allow to register such big power
> values ~64k mW (~64Watts) for an OPP. Then based on 'power' we
> pre-calculate 'cost' fields:
> cost[i] = power[i] * freq_max / freq[i]
> So, for max freq the cost == power. Let's use that in the example.
>
> Then the em_cpu_energy() calculates as follow:
> cost * sum_util / scale_cpu
> We are interested in the first part - the value of multiplication.

But all these are internal computations of the energy model. At the
end, the computed energy that is returned by compute_energy() and
em_cpu_energy(), fits in a long

>
> The sum_util values that we can see for x CPUs which have scale_cap=1024
> can be close to 800, let's use it in the example:
> cost * sum_util = 64k * (x * 800), where
> x=4: ~200mln
> x=8: ~400mln
> x=16: ~800mln
> x=64: ~3200mln (last one which would fit in u32)
>
> When we increase the precision by even 100, then the above values won't
> fit in the u32. Even a max cost of e.g. 10k mW and 100 precision has
> issues:
> cost * sum_util = (10k *100) * (x * 800), where
> x=4: ~3200mln
> x=8: ~6400mln
>
> For *1000 precision even a power of 1Watt becomes an issue:
> cost * sum_util = (1k *1000) * (x * 800), where
> x=4: ~3200mln
> x=8: ~6400mln
>
> That's why to make the code safe for bigger power values, I had to use
> the u64 on 32bit machines.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-07  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-25 15:26 [PATCH 0/3] Improve EAS energy estimation and increase precision Lukasz Luba
2021-06-25 15:26 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched/fair: Prepare variables for increased precision of EAS estimated energy Lukasz Luba
2021-06-30 17:01   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-06-30 17:28     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-02 19:07       ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  7:07   ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07  7:49     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  8:00       ` Vincent Guittot [this message]
2021-07-07  8:23         ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  9:37           ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07  9:48             ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  9:56               ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07 10:06                 ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07 10:11                   ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07 10:29                     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07 10:32                       ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07 10:41                         ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07 10:50                           ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07 11:02                             ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07 13:53                               ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07 14:25                                 ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  9:45           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2021-07-07  9:54             ` Lukasz Luba
2021-06-25 15:26 ` [PATCH 2/3] PM: EM: Make em_cpu_energy() able to return bigger values Lukasz Luba
2021-07-05 12:44   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2021-07-06 19:44     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  7:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-07-07  8:09     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07 10:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-07-07 10:23         ` Lukasz Luba
2021-06-25 15:26 ` [PATCH 3/3] PM: EM: Increase energy calculation precision Lukasz Luba
2021-07-05 12:45   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2021-07-06 19:51     ` Lukasz Luba

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