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From: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
To: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Chris Redpath <Chris.Redpath@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	"open list:THERMAL" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	segall@google.com, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	CCj.Yeh@mediatek.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] sched/fair: Prepare variables for increased precision of EAS estimated energy
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 11:56:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKfTPtCEo+gkV2TMhOHSnuUyu5BC54o-B4Hb=QbzgT6Dft-PhQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <297df159-1681-f0a7-843d-f34d86e51d4c@arm.com>

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 11:48, Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 7/7/21 10:37 AM, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 10:23, Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/7/21 9:00 AM, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 09:49, Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7/7/21 8:07 AM, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 at 17:26, Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Energy Aware Scheduler (EAS) tries to find best CPU for a waking up
> >>>>>> task. It probes many possibilities and compares the estimated energy values
> >>>>>> for different scenarios. For calculating those energy values it relies on
> >>>>>> Energy Model (EM) data and em_cpu_energy(). The precision which is used in
> >>>>>> EM data is in milli-Watts (or abstract scale), which sometimes is not
> >>>>>> sufficient. In some cases it might happen that two CPUs from different
> >>>>>> Performance Domains (PDs) get the same calculated value for a given task
> >>>>>> placement, but in more precised scale, they might differ. This rounding
> >>>>>> error has to be addressed. This patch prepares EAS code for better
> >>>>>> precision in the coming EM improvements.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Could you explain why 32bits results are not enough and you need to
> >>>>> move to 64bits ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Right now the result is in the range [0..2^32[ mW. If you need more
> >>>>> precision and you want to return uW instead, you will have a result in
> >>>>> the range  [0..4kW[ which seems to be still enough
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Currently we have the max value limit for 'power' in EM which is
> >>>> EM_MAX_POWER 0xffff (64k - 1). We allow to register such big power
> >>>> values ~64k mW (~64Watts) for an OPP. Then based on 'power' we
> >>>> pre-calculate 'cost' fields:
> >>>> cost[i] = power[i] * freq_max / freq[i]
> >>>> So, for max freq the cost == power. Let's use that in the example.
> >>>>
> >>>> Then the em_cpu_energy() calculates as follow:
> >>>> cost * sum_util / scale_cpu
> >>>> We are interested in the first part - the value of multiplication.
> >>>
> >>> But all these are internal computations of the energy model. At the
> >>> end, the computed energy that is returned by compute_energy() and
> >>> em_cpu_energy(), fits in a long
> >>
> >> Let's take a look at existing *10000 precision for x CPUs:
> >> cost * sum_util / scale_cpu =
> >> (64k *10000) * (x * 800) / 1024
> >> which is:
> >> x * ~500mln
> >>
> >> So to be close to overflowing u32 the 'x' has to be > (?=) 8
> >> (depends on sum_util).
> >
> > Sorry but I don't get your point.
> > This patch is about the return type of compute_energy() and
> > em_cpu_energy(). And even if we decide to return uW instead of mW,
> > there is still a lot of margin.
> >
> > It's not because you need u64 for computing intermediate value that
> > you must returns u64
>
> The example above shows the need of u64 return value for platforms
> which are:
> - 32bit
> - have e.g. 16 CPUs
> - has big power value e.g. ~64k mW
> Then let's to the calc:
> (64k * 10000) * (16 * 800) / 1024 = ~8000mln = ~8bln

so you return a power consumption of 8kW !!!

>
> The returned value after applying the whole patch set
> won't fit in u32 for such cluster.
>
> We might make *assumption* that the 32bit platforms will not
> have bigger number of CPUs in the cluster or won't report
> big power values. But I didn't wanted to make such assumption.
>
>

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-07  9:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-25 15:26 [PATCH 0/3] Improve EAS energy estimation and increase precision Lukasz Luba
2021-06-25 15:26 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched/fair: Prepare variables for increased precision of EAS estimated energy Lukasz Luba
2021-06-30 17:01   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-06-30 17:28     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-02 19:07       ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  7:07   ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07  7:49     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  8:00       ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07  8:23         ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  9:37           ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07  9:48             ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  9:56               ` Vincent Guittot [this message]
2021-07-07 10:06                 ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07 10:11                   ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07 10:29                     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07 10:32                       ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07 10:41                         ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07 10:50                           ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07 11:02                             ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07 13:53                               ` Vincent Guittot
2021-07-07 14:25                                 ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  9:45           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2021-07-07  9:54             ` Lukasz Luba
2021-06-25 15:26 ` [PATCH 2/3] PM: EM: Make em_cpu_energy() able to return bigger values Lukasz Luba
2021-07-05 12:44   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2021-07-06 19:44     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07  7:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-07-07  8:09     ` Lukasz Luba
2021-07-07 10:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-07-07 10:23         ` Lukasz Luba
2021-06-25 15:26 ` [PATCH 3/3] PM: EM: Increase energy calculation precision Lukasz Luba
2021-07-05 12:45   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2021-07-06 19:51     ` Lukasz Luba

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