linux-kernel.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:10:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKgNAkiLafr7KJNAo+_kwKQB7ueO-oontNL_FQrGtqitmJpEDg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1127218a-dd9b-71a8-845d-3a83969632fc@gmail.com>

[Resending because of bounces from the lists. (Somehow my mailer
messed up the MIME labeling)]

Hi Mike,

On 11/28/2016 02:46 AM, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> On Sun, 2016-11-27 at 22:13 +0100, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>
>> Here's my attempt to define the root task group:
>>
>>        *  If autogrouping is disabled, then all processes in the root CPU
>>           cgroup form a scheduling group (sometimes called the "root task
>>           group").
>>
>> Can you improve on this?

The below is helpful, but...

> A task group is a set of percpu runqueues.

The explanation needs really to be in terms of what user-space
understands and sees. "Runqueues" are a kernel scheduler implementation
detail.

> The root task group is the
> top level set in a hierarchy of such sets when group scheduling is
> enabled, or the only set when group scheduling is not enabled.  The
> autogroup hierarchy has a depth of one, ie all autogroups are peers
> who's common parent is the root task group.

Let's try and go further. How's this:

       When scheduling non-real-time  processes  (i.e.,  those  scheduled
       under  the SCHED_OTHER, SCHED_BATCH, and SCHED_IDLE policies), the
       CFS scheduler employs a technique known as "group scheduling",  if
       the  kernel was configured with the CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED option
       (which is typical).

       Under group scheduling, threads are scheduled  in  "task  groups".
       Task  groups  have  a  hierarchical relationship, rooted under the
       initial task group on the system, known as the "root task  group".
       Task groups are formed in the following circumstances:

       *  All of the threads in a CPU cgroup form a task group.  The par‐
          ent of this task group is the task group of  the  corresponding
          parent cgroup.

       *  If  autogrouping  is  enabled, then all of the threads that are
          (implicitly) placed in an autogroup (i.e., the same session, as
          created by setsid(2)) form a task group.  Each new autogroup is
          thus a separate task group.  The root task group is the  parent
          of all such autogroups.

       *  If  autogrouping  is enabled, then the root task group consists
          of all processes in the root CPU cgroup that were not otherwise
          implicitly placed into a new autogroup.

       *  If  autogrouping is disabled, then the root task group consists
          of all processes in the root CPU cgroup.

       *  If group scheduling was disabled (i.e., the kernel was  config‐
          ured  without  CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED),  then  all of the pro‐
          cesses on the system are notionally placed  in  a  single  task
          group.

       [To be followed by a discussion of the nice value and task groups]

?

Cheers,

Michael


-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-29  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-22 15:59 RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 10:33 ` [patch] sched/autogroup: Fix 64bit kernel nice adjustment Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 13:47   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 14:12     ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 14:20       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 15:55         ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-24  6:24   ` [tip:sched/urgent] sched/autogroup: Fix 64-bit kernel nice level adjustment tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 11:39 ` RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 13:54   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 15:33     ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 16:04       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 17:11         ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-24 21:41           ` RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature [v2] Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 12:52             ` Afzal Mohammed
2016-11-25 13:04               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 13:02             ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-25 15:04               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 15:48                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 15:51                 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-25 16:08                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 16:18                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:34                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 20:54                         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 21:49                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-29  7:43                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-29 11:46                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-29 13:44                                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 16:04                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:13                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:33                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-25 22:48                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-23 16:05       ` RFC: documentation of the autogroup feature Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-23 17:19         ` Mike Galbraith
2016-11-23 22:12           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-27 21:13       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-11-28  1:46         ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]           ` <1127218a-dd9b-71a8-845d-3a83969632fc@gmail.com>
2016-11-29  9:10             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2016-11-29 13:46               ` Mike Galbraith

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=CAKgNAkiLafr7KJNAo+_kwKQB7ueO-oontNL_FQrGtqitmJpEDg@mail.gmail.com \
    --to=mtk.manpages@gmail.com \
    --cc=a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl \
    --cc=efault@gmx.de \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-man@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=mingo@kernel.org \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).