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From: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@redhat.com>,
	kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	lcapitulino@redhat.com, pagupta@redhat.com, wei.w.wang@intel.com,
	Yang Zhang <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
	riel@surriel.com, david@redhat.com, dodgen@google.com,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	dhildenb@redhat.com, Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][Patch v8 6/7] KVM: Enables the kernel to isolate and report free pages
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 09:43:44 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKgT0UdcrbUw-wfeXQPjnnbTWrvNB0zpwq-bCv4EEWcOSizL_w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190205165514-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:21 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 04:54:03PM -0500, Nitesh Narayan Lal wrote:
> >
> > On 2/5/19 3:45 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 03:18:53PM -0500, Nitesh Narayan Lal wrote:
> > >> This patch enables the kernel to scan the per cpu array and
> > >> compress it by removing the repetitive/re-allocated pages.
> > >> Once the per cpu array is completely filled with pages in the
> > >> buddy it wakes up the kernel per cpu thread which re-scans the
> > >> entire per cpu array by acquiring a zone lock corresponding to
> > >> the page which is being scanned. If the page is still free and
> > >> present in the buddy it tries to isolate the page and adds it
> > >> to another per cpu array.
> > >>
> > >> Once this scanning process is complete and if there are any
> > >> isolated pages added to the new per cpu array kernel thread
> > >> invokes hyperlist_ready().
> > >>
> > >> In hyperlist_ready() a hypercall is made to report these pages to
> > >> the host using the virtio-balloon framework. In order to do so
> > >> another virtqueue 'hinting_vq' is added to the balloon framework.
> > >> As the host frees all the reported pages, the kernel thread returns
> > >> them back to the buddy.
> > >>
> > >> Signed-off-by: Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@redhat.com>
> > >
> > > This looks kind of like what early iterations of Wei's patches did.
> > >
> > > But this has lots of issues, for example you might end up with
> > > a hypercall per a 4K page.
> > > So in the end, he switched over to just reporting only
> > > MAX_ORDER - 1 pages.
> > You mean that I should only capture/attempt to isolate pages with order
> > MAX_ORDER - 1?
> > >
> > > Would that be a good idea for you too?
> > Will it help if we have a threshold value based on the amount of memory
> > captured instead of the number of entries/pages in the array?
>
> This is what Wei's patches do at least.

So in the solution I had posted I was looking more at
HUGETLB_PAGE_ORDER and above as the size of pages to provide the hints
on [1]. The advantage to doing that is that you can also avoid
fragmenting huge pages which in turn can cause what looks like a
memory leak as the memory subsystem attempts to reassemble huge
pages[2]. In my mind a 2MB page makes good sense in terms of the size
of things to be performing hints on as anything smaller than that is
going to just end up being a bunch of extra work and end up causing a
bunch of fragmentation.

The only issue with limiting things on an arbitrary boundary like that
is that you have to hook into the buddy allocator to catch the cases
where a page has been merged up into that range.

[1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/2/4/903
[2] https://blog.digitalocean.com/transparent-huge-pages-and-alternative-memory-allocators/

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-07 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-04 20:18 [RFC][Patch v8 0/7] KVM: Guest Free Page Hinting Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-04 20:18 ` [RFC][Patch v8 1/7] KVM: Support for guest free page hinting Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-05  4:14   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-05 13:06     ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-05 16:27       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-05 16:34         ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-04 20:18 ` [RFC][Patch v8 2/7] KVM: Enabling guest free page hinting via static key Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-08 18:07   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-08 18:22     ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-04 20:18 ` [RFC][Patch v8 3/7] KVM: Guest free page hinting functional skeleton Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-04 20:18 ` [RFC][Patch v8 4/7] KVM: Disabling page poisoning to prevent corruption Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-07 17:23   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-07 17:56     ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-07 18:24       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-07 19:14         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-07 21:08   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-04 20:18 ` [RFC][Patch v8 5/7] virtio: Enables to add a single descriptor to the host Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-05 20:49   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-06 12:56     ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-06 13:15       ` Luiz Capitulino
2019-02-06 13:24         ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-06 13:29           ` Luiz Capitulino
2019-02-06 14:05             ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-06 18:03       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-06 18:19         ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-04 20:18 ` [RFC][Patch v8 6/7] KVM: Enables the kernel to isolate and report free pages Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-05 20:45   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-05 21:54     ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-05 21:55       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-07 17:43         ` Alexander Duyck [this message]
2019-02-07 19:01           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-07 20:50           ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-08 17:58             ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-08 20:41               ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-08 21:38                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-08 22:05                   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-10  0:38                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-11  9:28                       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-12  5:16                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-12 17:10                       ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-08 21:35               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-04 20:18 ` [RFC][Patch v8 7/7] KVM: Adding tracepoints for guest page hinting Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-04 20:20 ` [RFC][QEMU PATCH] KVM: Support for guest free " Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-12  9:03 ` [RFC][Patch v8 0/7] KVM: Guest Free Page Hinting Wang, Wei W
2019-02-12  9:24   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-12 17:24     ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-12 19:34       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-13  8:55     ` Wang, Wei W
2019-02-13  9:19       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-13 12:17         ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-13 17:09           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-13 17:22             ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
     [not found]               ` <286AC319A985734F985F78AFA26841F73DF6F1C3@shsmsx102.ccr.corp.intel.com>
2019-02-14  9:34                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-13 17:16         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-13 17:59           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-13 19:08             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-14  9:08         ` Wang, Wei W
2019-02-14 10:00           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-14 10:44             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-15  9:15             ` Wang, Wei W
2019-02-15  9:33               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-13  9:00 ` Wang, Wei W
2019-02-13 12:06   ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-14  8:48     ` Wang, Wei W
2019-02-14  9:42       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-15  9:05         ` Wang, Wei W
2019-02-15  9:41           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-18  2:36             ` Wei Wang
2019-02-18  2:39               ` Wei Wang
2019-02-15 12:40           ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-14 13:00       ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-16  9:40 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-18 15:50   ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-18 16:02     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-18 16:49   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-18 16:59     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-18 17:31       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-18 17:41         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-18 23:47           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-19  2:45             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-19  2:46             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-02-19 12:52               ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-19 16:23               ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-19  8:06             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-19 14:40               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-19 14:44                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-19 14:45                   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-18 18:01         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-18 17:54       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-18 18:29         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-18 19:16           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-18 19:35             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-18 19:47               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-18 20:04                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-18 20:31                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-18 20:40                     ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-18 21:04                       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-19  0:01                         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-19  7:54                           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-19 18:06                             ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-19 18:31                               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-19 21:57                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-19 22:17                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-19 22:36                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-19 19:58                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-19 20:02                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-19 20:17                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-19 20:21                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-19 20:35                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-19 12:47                         ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-19 13:03                           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-19 14:17                             ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-02-19 14:21                               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-18 20:53                     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-23  0:02 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-02-25 13:01   ` Nitesh Narayan Lal

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