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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] x86/mm/tlb: Defer PTI flushes
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:30:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVTErOur1vkSp-5KDmHRXAdSCRjRmbsvQ44TFpqcx36GA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <154B90AD-7EC3-4B86-8061-D737A948A77C@vmware.com>

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:55 PM Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 27, 2019, at 4:13 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 11:13 PM Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com> wrote:
> >> INVPCID is considerably slower than INVLPG of a single PTE. Using it to
> >> flush the user page-tables when PTI is enabled therefore introduces
> >> significant overhead.
> >>
> >> Instead, unless page-tables are released, it is possible to defer the
> >> flushing of the user page-tables until the time the code returns to
> >> userspace. These page tables are not in use, so deferring them is not a
> >> security hazard.
> >
> > I agree and, in fact, I argued against ever using INVPCID in the
> > original PTI code.
> >
> > However, I don't see what freeing page tables has to do with this.  If
> > the CPU can actually do speculative page walks based on the contents
> > of non-current-PCID TLB entries, then we have major problems, since we
> > don't actively flush the TLB for non-running mms at all.
>
> That was not my concern.
>
> >
> > I suppose that, if we free a page table, then we can't activate the
> > PCID by writing to CR3 before flushing things.  But we can still defer
> > the flush and just set the flush bit when we write to CR3.
>
> This was my concern. I can change the behavior so the code would flush the
> whole TLB instead. I just tried not to change the existing behavior too
> much.
>

We do this anyway if we don't have INVPCID_SINGLE, so it doesn't seem
so bad to also do it if there's a freed page table.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-28  0:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-23 22:52 [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] x86/mm/tlb: Defer TLB flushes with PTI Nadav Amit
2019-08-23 22:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] x86/mm/tlb: Change __flush_tlb_one_user interface Nadav Amit
2019-08-26  7:51   ` Juergen Gross
2019-08-26 16:38     ` Nadav Amit
2019-08-27  5:53       ` Juergen Gross
2019-08-23 22:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] x86/mm/tlb: Defer PTI flushes Nadav Amit
2019-08-27 18:28   ` Dave Hansen
2019-08-27 19:46     ` Nadav Amit
2019-08-27 23:13   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-27 23:55     ` Nadav Amit
2019-08-28  0:30       ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2019-08-23 22:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/3] x86/mm/tlb: Avoid deferring PTI flushes on shootdown Nadav Amit
2019-08-27 23:07   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-27 23:57     ` Nadav Amit
2019-08-28  0:30       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-27 18:17 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] x86/mm/tlb: Defer TLB flushes with PTI Dave Hansen
2019-09-03 15:17 ` Dave Hansen
2019-09-03 16:13   ` Nadav Amit

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