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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Tom Lendacky <Thomas.Lendacky@amd.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/4] x86/TSC: Use RDTSCP
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 10:53:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrW6QgD4SLo7S+b+MgX4X4w1wAv1oJoi8px_q4+XGydyOQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7d04973d6d54a969c9324ab3240b401@AcuMS.aculab.com>

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 5:39 AM David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote:
>
> From:  Borislav Petkov
> > Sent: 12 December 2018 18:45
> ...
> > > The property I want for RDTSC ordering is much weaker: I want it to be
> > > ordered like a load.  Imagine that, instead of an on-chip TSC, the TSC
> > > is literally a location in main memory that gets incremented by an
> > > extra dedicated CPU every nanosecond or so.  I want users of RDTSC to
> > > work as if they were reading such a location in memory using an
> > > ordinary load.  I believe this gives the real desired property that it
> > > should be impossible to observe the TSC going backwards.  This is a
> > > much weaker form of serialization.
> >
> > Well, in that case you need something new.
> >
> > Because, the moment you have a RDTSC in flight and a second RDTSC comes
> > in and that second RDTSC must *not* bypass the first one and execute
> > earlier due to OoO, you need to impose some ordering. And that's pretty
> > much uarch-dependent, I'd say.
> >
> > And I guess on AMD the way to do that is to stop dispatch until the
> > first RDTSC retires.
> >
> > Can it be done faster? Sure. And I'm pretty sure there's a lot of pesky
> > little hw details we're not even hearing of, which get in the way.
>
> ISTR one of the problems with RDTSC serialising is that it is used
> for micro-benchmarks.

If you're benchmarking with that level of detail, you're probably
doing RDTSC directly instead of using the vDSO.  Or, even better,
RDPMC.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-15 18:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-11 22:23 [RFC PATCH 0/4] x86/alternative: Add ALTERNATIVE_3 Borislav Petkov
2018-12-11 22:23 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] x86/alternatives: Add macro comments Borislav Petkov
2019-01-16 11:57   ` [tip:x86/alternatives] " tip-bot for Borislav Petkov
2018-12-11 22:23 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] x86/alternatives: Print containing function Borislav Petkov
2019-01-16 11:58   ` [tip:x86/alternatives] " tip-bot for Borislav Petkov
2018-12-11 22:23 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] x86/alternatives: Add an ALTERNATIVE_3() macro Borislav Petkov
2019-01-16 11:59   ` [tip:x86/alternatives] " tip-bot for Borislav Petkov
2018-12-11 22:23 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] x86/TSC: Use RDTSCP Borislav Petkov
2018-12-11 22:59   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-11 23:12     ` Lendacky, Thomas
2018-12-11 23:39       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-12-12  2:24         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-12  9:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-12 12:02             ` Andrea Parri
2018-12-12 10:08           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-12-12 18:07             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-12 18:44               ` Borislav Petkov
2018-12-12 18:50                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-12 20:00                   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-12-12 20:09                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-12 20:29                       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-12-14 13:39                 ` David Laight
2018-12-15 18:53                   ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-12-12 14:15           ` Lendacky, Thomas
2018-12-12 14:18             ` Lendacky, Thomas
2018-12-11 23:37 Alexey Dobriyan
2018-12-11 23:43 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-12-12  0:06   ` Borislav Petkov

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