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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Woodhouse, David" <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/5] x86: introduce preemption disable prefix
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:29:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWjeqMs7Z6auStk9VGT9vAn+U5REGE+=TBv1Yh4kmOF3w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6F1FD9DA-5E86-42A2-8EAF-05F5D70FE2EF@vmware.com>

> On Oct 18, 2018, at 6:08 PM, Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com> wrote:
>
> at 10:00 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> at 8:51 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 8:12 PM Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com> wrote:
>>>>> at 6:22 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is sometimes beneficial to prevent preemption for very few
>>>>>>> instructions, or prevent preemption for some instructions that precede
>>>>>>> a branch (this latter case will be introduced in the next patches).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To provide such functionality on x86-64, we use an empty REX-prefix
>>>>>>> (opcode 0x40) as an indication that preemption is disabled for the
>>>>>>> following instruction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nifty!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That being said, I think you have a few bugs. First, you can’t just ignore
>>>>>> a rescheduling interrupt, as you introduce unbounded latency when this
>>>>>> happens — you’re effectively emulating preempt_enable_no_resched(), which
>>>>>> is not a drop-in replacement for preempt_enable(). To fix this, you may
>>>>>> need to jump to a slow-path trampoline that calls schedule() at the end or
>>>>>> consider rewinding one instruction instead. Or use TF, which is only a
>>>>>> little bit terrifying…
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I didn’t pay enough attention here. For my use-case, I think that the
>>>>> easiest solution would be to make synchronize_sched() ignore preemptions
>>>>> that happen while the prefix is detected. It would slightly change the
>>>>> meaning of the prefix.
>>>
>>> So thinking about it further, rewinding the instruction seems the easiest
>>> and most robust solution. I’ll do it.
>>>
>>>>>> You also aren’t accounting for the case where you get an exception that
>>>>>> is, in turn, preempted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm.. Can you give me an example for such an exception in my use-case? I
>>>>> cannot think of an exception that might be preempted (assuming #BP, #MC
>>>>> cannot be preempted).
>>>>
>>>> Look for cond_local_irq_enable().
>>>
>>> I looked at it. Yet, I still don’t see how exceptions might happen in my
>>> use-case, but having said that - this can be fixed too.
>>
>> I’m not totally certain there’s a case that matters.  But it’s worth checking
>
> I am still checking. But, I wanted to ask you whether the existing code is
> correct, since it seems to me that others do the same mistake I did, unless
> I don’t understand the code.
>
> Consider for example do_int3(), and see my inlined comments:
>
> dotraplinkage void notrace do_int3(struct pt_regs *regs, long error_code)
> {
>    ...
>    ist_enter(regs);        // => preempt_disable()
>    cond_local_irq_enable(regs);    // => assume it enables IRQs
>
>    ...
>    // resched irq can be delivered here. It will not caused rescheduling
>    // since preemption is disabled
>
>    cond_local_irq_disable(regs);    // => assume it disables IRQs
>    ist_exit(regs);            // => preempt_enable_no_resched()
> }
>
> At this point resched will not happen for unbounded length of time (unless
> there is another point when exiting the trap handler that checks if
> preemption should take place).

I think it's only a bug in the cases where someone uses extable to fix
up an int3 (which would be nuts) or that we oops.  But I should still
fix it.  In the normal case where int3 was in user code, we'll miss
the reschedule in do_trap(), but we'll reschedule in
prepare_exit_to_usermode() -> exit_to_usermode_loop().

>
> Another example is __BPF_PROG_RUN_ARRAY(), which also uses
> preempt_enable_no_resched().

Alexei, I think this code is just wrong. Do you know why it uses
preempt_enable_no_resched()?

Oleg, the code in kernel/signal.c:

                preempt_disable();
                read_unlock(&tasklist_lock);
                preempt_enable_no_resched();
                freezable_schedule();

looks bogus.  I don't get what it's trying to achieve with
preempt_disable(), and I also don't see why no_resched does anything.
Sure, it prevents a reschedule triggered during read_unlock() from
causing a reschedule, but it doesn't prevent an interrupt immediately
after the preempt_enable_no_resched() call from scheduling.

--Andy

>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks,
> Nadav

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-19  4:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-18  0:54 [RFC PATCH 0/5] x86: dynamic indirect call promotion Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  0:54 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] x86: introduce preemption disable prefix Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  1:22   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-18  3:12     ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  3:26       ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  3:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-18 16:47         ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-18 17:00           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-18 17:25             ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-18 17:29               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-18 17:42                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-19  1:08             ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-19  4:29               ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-10-19  4:44                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-20  1:22                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-10-19  5:00                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-10-19  8:22                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-19 14:47                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-10-19  8:19                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-19 10:38                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-19  8:33               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-19 14:29                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29  9:46                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-18  7:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-18 18:14       ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  0:54 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] x86: patch indirect branch promotion Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  0:54 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] x86: interface for accessing indirect branch locations Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  0:54 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] x86: learning and patching indirect branch targets Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  0:54 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] x86: relpoline: disabling interface Nadav Amit
2018-10-23 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] x86: dynamic indirect call promotion Dave Hansen
2018-10-23 20:32   ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-23 20:37     ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-28 16:08 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-28 19:34   ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-29  0:38     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29  1:40       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29  2:06         ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-29  3:24           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29  4:36             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29  6:06             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 15:19               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-12-01  6:52                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-01 14:25                   ` Josh Poimboeuf

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