From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752912AbaJFQax (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:30:53 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com ([209.85.217.181]:37305 "EHLO mail-lb0-f181.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752080AbaJFQaw convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:30:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <061c07c6a45a9534cf6cfcc4e80fa245@neutralite.org> References: <9c4839d12e9bc5251493034e66b550d2@neutralite.org> <061c07c6a45a9534cf6cfcc4e80fa245@neutralite.org> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:30:50 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (Song) Fk SystemD From: Gregory Smith To: berenger.morel@neutralite.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org "No software is finished" This we fundamentally disagree on. You are incorrect. On 10/6/14, berenger.morel@neutralite.org wrote: > Le 06.10.2014 13:17, Gregory Smith a écrit : >> What is needed is inaction, > > Huh.... I'm not a systemd lover, you know, but what you just wrote is > weird! > Seriously, I have so many problems at work because people never even > tries to make code more readable, more secured, because "inaction is > better". Systemd is excessive, yes. But inaction is never a good thing, > no software is finished. There is always a way to enhance it, or to do > things in a better way. Systemd tried, and convinced a lot of people > (not me), so it was adopted by almost all distros, despite the problems > it have. > >> what there was before systemd was fine. >> Acting is the problem. > > Then, why not forking whatever was fine for you, and stop annoying > people? Stop infringing the rules of this mailing list (because, I > really doubt that insulting people is allowed)? > You are enough systemd haters around to be able to maintain sysvinit, I > don't doubt it. But, of course, it's easier to whine on a user list, > annoying everyone which do not share your exact point of view, than > acting yourself. > With all mails on systemd's war, I am sure that there was enough time > to do that, if people had actually acted. > > Oh... and, there *are* some people which acts. I do not like the > systemd's direction, but I do think one of it's features is nice (the > unit system). And I have discovered (maybe with a mail on this list? Or > random searches? Not sure) that some people do act: there is uselessd, > which is an alternative which removes lot of "features" of systemd, to > go back to non-bloated software. There is also eudev, by gentoo, > destined to replace udev. The same distro which produces openrc IIRC. > > See? There *are* alternatives (yes, I have seen some mails saying in > title that there are no alternatives. I don't mind, I know it's wrong, > because gentoo does not use systemd). So, stop whining, move! And if you > want to stay on pure debian, I don't doubt people will be interested if > someone packages those projects into Debian. >