From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Mateusz Kwiatkowski <kfyatek@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 10/41] drm/modes: Add a function to generate analog display modes
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 10:14:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdWq3aOO4-2AReDeaC2VBJb=QJF2dTMZP=DGmwCg6ZOffA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <242d272b-5b79-986c-9aaf-64e62f6b37ff@gmail.com>
Hi Mateusz,
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 3:44 AM Mateusz Kwiatkowski <kfyatek@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow. That's an enormous amount of effort put into this patch.
>
> But I'm tempted to say that this is actually overengineered quite a bit :D
> Considering that there's no way to access all these calculations from user
> space, and I can't imagine anybody using anything else than those standard
> 480i/576i (and maybe 240p/288p) modes at 13.5 MHz any time soon... I'm not
> sure if we actually need all this.
We'll need it when we get an Amiga DRM driver, which will use
7/14/28 MHz pixel clocks.
> But anyway, I'm not the maintainer of this subsystem, so I'm not the one to
> decide.
>
> > +enum drm_mode_analog {
> > + DRM_MODE_ANALOG_NTSC,
> > + DRM_MODE_ANALOG_PAL,
> > +};
>
> Using "NTSC" and "PAL" to describe the 50Hz and 60Hz analog TV modes is common,
> but strictly speaking a misnomer. Those are color encoding systems, and your
> patchset fully supports lesser used, but standard encodings for those (e.g.
> PAL-M for 60Hz and SECAM for 50Hz). I'd propose switching to some more neutral
> naming scheme. Some ideas:
>
> - DRM_MODE_ANALOG_60_HZ / DRM_MODE_ANALOG_50_HZ (after standard refresh rate)
> - DRM_MODE_ANALOG_525_LINES / DRM_MODE_ANALOG_625_LINES (after standard line
> count)
IMHO these are bad names, as e.g. VGA640x480@60 is also analog, using
60 Hz and 525 lines. Add "TV" to the name?
> - DRM_MODE_ANALOG_JM / DRM_MODE_ANALOG_BDGHIKLN (after corresponding ITU System
> Letter Designations)
Or DRM_MODE_ITU_*?
But given the long list of letters, this looks fragile to me.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org
In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
-- Linus Torvalds
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-08-31 8:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-29 13:11 [PATCH v2 00/41] drm: Analog TV Improvements Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 01/41] drm/tests: Order Kunit tests in Makefile Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 18:46 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 19:02 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-08-30 8:30 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 12:22 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-08-31 7:30 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-31 12:19 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 02/41] drm/tests: Add Kunit Helpers Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 03/41] drm/atomic-helper: Rename drm_atomic_helper_connector_tv_reset to avoid ambiguity Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 04/41] drm/connector: Rename subconnector state variable Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 05/41] drm/atomic: Add TV subconnector property to get/set_property Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 06/41] drm/connector: Rename legacy TV property Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 19:27 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 07/41] drm/connector: Only register TV mode property if present Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 08/41] drm/connector: Rename drm_mode_create_tv_properties Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 09/41] drm/connector: Add TV standard property Maxime Ripard
2022-09-01 22:00 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-02 7:35 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-09-07 12:11 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 12:10 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 19:52 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-09 9:46 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-11 4:32 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-05 10:18 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 10/41] drm/modes: Add a function to generate analog display modes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 13:01 ` Maíra Canal
2022-09-08 11:10 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-31 1:44 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-08-31 8:14 ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message]
2022-09-05 13:32 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-05 16:32 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-07 14:38 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-05 13:37 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-05 16:44 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-07 14:34 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 21:31 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-09 13:54 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-11 4:48 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-11 4:51 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-21 15:05 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-09 14:00 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-11 4:30 ` kFYatek
2022-09-21 14:26 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-01 19:09 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 11/41] drm/modes: Only consider bpp and refresh before options Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 12/41] drm/modes: parse_cmdline: Add support for named modes containing dashes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 13/41] drm/client: Add some tests for drm_connector_pick_cmdline_mode() Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 14/41] drm/modes: Move named modes parsing to a separate function Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 10:06 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-08-30 10:43 ` Jani Nikula
2022-08-30 12:03 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 13:36 ` Jani Nikula
2022-09-07 8:39 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 15/41] drm/modes: Switch to named mode descriptors Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 16/41] drm/modes: Fill drm_cmdline mode from named modes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 17/41] drm/connector: Add pixel clock to cmdline mode Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 18/41] drm/connector: Add a function to lookup a TV mode by its name Maxime Ripard
2022-08-31 19:14 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 19/41] drm/modes: Introduce the tv_mode property as a command-line option Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 12:34 ` Maíra Canal
2022-08-30 12:44 ` Maíra Canal
2022-09-01 22:46 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-05 14:28 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 20/41] drm/modes: Properly generate a drm_display_mode from a named mode Maxime Ripard
2022-09-01 22:52 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 21/41] drm/modes: Introduce more named modes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 22/41] drm/atomic-helper: Add a TV properties reset helper Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 18:40 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 23/41] drm/atomic-helper: Add an analog TV atomic_check implementation Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 18:49 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 24/41] drm/vc4: vec: Remove empty mode_fixup Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 15:23 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07 8:34 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 25/41] drm/vc4: vec: Convert to atomic helpers Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 15:24 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07 8:35 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 26/41] drm/vc4: vec: Refactor VEC TV mode setting Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 15:29 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07 8:35 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 27/41] drm/vc4: vec: Remove redundant atomic_mode_set Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 15:45 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07 8:35 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 28/41] drm/vc4: vec: Fix timings for VEC modes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 18:20 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07 8:35 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 29/41] drm/vc4: vec: Switch for common modes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 18:36 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 30/41] drm/vc4: vec: Fix definition of PAL-M mode Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 31/41] drm/vc4: vec: Use TV Reset implementation Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 18:51 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 32/41] drm/vc4: vec: Convert to the new TV mode property Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 19:01 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-08 11:23 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-08 11:31 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-08 12:16 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-08 11:34 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-31 2:23 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-08 13:18 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 33/41] drm/vc4: vec: Add support for more analog TV standards Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 34/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Remove unused mode_valid Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 8:35 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 35/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Convert to atomic hooks Maxime Ripard
2022-09-06 20:02 ` Jernej Škrabec
2022-09-07 8:35 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 36/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Merge mode_set into atomic_enable Maxime Ripard
2022-09-06 20:04 ` Jernej Škrabec
2022-09-07 7:41 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 15:09 ` Jernej Škrabec
2022-09-08 14:02 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 37/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Remove useless function Maxime Ripard
2022-09-06 20:06 ` Jernej Škrabec
2022-09-07 8:35 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 38/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Remove useless destroy function Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 8:35 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 39/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Rename error label Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 8:35 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 40/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Add missing reset assertion Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 8:35 ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 41/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Convert to the new TV mode property Maxime Ripard
2022-09-01 19:35 ` [PATCH v2 00/41] drm: Analog TV Improvements Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-02 11:28 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-05 14:57 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-05 15:17 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07 9:58 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 10:56 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07 10:36 ` Stefan Wahren
2022-09-07 16:44 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-10 15:34 ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-21 14:03 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-24 15:33 ` Noralf Trønnes
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