From: Benjamin Tissoires <benjamin.tissoires@gmail.com>
To: Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@who-t.net>
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
Jason Gerecke <killertofu@gmail.com>,
Ping Cheng <pinglinux@gmail.com>,
linux-input <linux-input@vger.kernel.org>,
Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@bitmath.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: input: define ABS_PRESSURE/ABS_MT_PRESSURE resolution as grams
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:00:27 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAN+gG=ER7LndA9facg-EB-0VBdBBkpac+nYu+eOo7wDW6G6fBw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210112230310.GA149342@jelly>
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:03 AM Peter Hutterer
<peter.hutterer@who-t.net> wrote:
>
> ABS_PRESSURE and ABS_MT_PRESSURE on touch devices usually represent
> contact size (as a finger flattens with higher pressure the contact size
> increases) and userspace translates the kernel pressure value back into
> contact size. For example, libinput has pressure thresholds when a touch is
> considered a palm (palm == large contact area -> high pressure). The values
> themselves are on an arbitrary scale and device-specific.
>
> On pressurepads however, the pressure axis may represent the real physical
> pressure. Pressurepads are touchpads without a hinge but an actual pressure
> sensor underneath the device instead, for example the Lenovo Yoga 9i.
>
> A high-enough pressure is converted to a button click by the firmware.
> Microsoft does not require a pressure axis to be present, see [1], so as seen
> from userspace most pressurepads are identical to clickpads - one button and
> INPUT_PROP_BUTTONPAD set.
>
> However, pressurepads that export the pressure axis break userspace because
> that axis no longer represents contact size, resulting in inconsistent touch
> tracking, e.g. [2]. Userspace needs to know when a pressure axis represents
> real pressure and the best way to do so is to define what the resolution
> field means. Userspace can then treat data with a pressure resolution as
> true pressure.
>
> This patch documents that the pressure resolution is in units/gram. This
> allows for fine-grained detail and tops out at roughly ~2000t, enough for the
> devices we're dealing with. Grams is not a scientific pressure unit but the
> alternative is:
> - Pascal: defined as force per area and area is unreliable on many devices and
> seems like the wrong option here anyway, especially for devices with a
> single pressure sensor only.
> - Newton: defined as mass * distance/acceleration and for the purposes of a
> pressure axis, the distance is tricky to interpret and we get the data to
> calculate acceleration from event timestamps anyway.
>
> For the purposes of touch devices and digitizers, grams seems the best choice
> and the easiest to interpret.
>
> Bonus side effect: we can use the existing hwdb infrastructure in userspace to
> fix devices that advertise false pressure.
>
> [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/component-guidelines/windows-precision-touchpad-required-hid-top-level-collections#windows-precision-touchpad-input-reports
> [2] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libinput/libinput/-/issues/562
>
> Signed-off-by: Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@who-t.net>
FWIW, and because I was involved in the initial discussion:
Acked-by: Benjamin Tissoires <benjamin.tissoires@redhat.com>
Cheers,
Benjamin
> ---
> Documentation/input/event-codes.rst | 15 +++++++++++++++
> Documentation/input/multi-touch-protocol.rst | 4 ++++
> 2 files changed, 19 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/input/event-codes.rst b/Documentation/input/event-codes.rst
> index b24b5343f5eb..3118fc1c1e26 100644
> --- a/Documentation/input/event-codes.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/input/event-codes.rst
> @@ -236,6 +236,21 @@ A few EV_ABS codes have special meanings:
> - Used to describe multitouch input events. Please see
> multi-touch-protocol.txt for details.
>
> +* ABS_PRESSURE/ABS_MT_PRESSURE:
> +
> + - For touch devices, many devices converted contact size into pressure.
> + A finger flattens with pressure, causing a larger contact area and thus
> + pressure and contact size are directly related. This is not the case
> + for other devices, for example digitizers and touchpads with a true
> + pressure sensor ("pressure pads").
> +
> + A device should set the resolution of the axis to indicate whether the
> + pressure is in measurable units. If the resolution is zero, the
> + pressure data is in arbitrary units. If the resolution is nonzero, the
> + pressure data is in units/gram. For example, a value of 10 with a
> + resolution of 1 represents 10 gram, a value of 10 with a resolution on
> + 1000 represents 10 microgram.
> +
> EV_SW
> -----
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/input/multi-touch-protocol.rst b/Documentation/input/multi-touch-protocol.rst
> index 307fe22d9668..21c1e6a22888 100644
> --- a/Documentation/input/multi-touch-protocol.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/input/multi-touch-protocol.rst
> @@ -260,6 +260,10 @@ ABS_MT_PRESSURE
> of TOUCH and WIDTH for pressure-based devices or any device with a spatial
> signal intensity distribution.
>
> + If the resolution is zero, the pressure data is in arbitrary units.
> + If the resolution is nonzero, the pressure data is in units/gram. See
> + :ref:`input-event-codes` for details.
> +
> ABS_MT_DISTANCE
> The distance, in surface units, between the contact and the surface. Zero
> distance means the contact is touching the surface. A positive number means
> --
> 2.29.2
>
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2021-01-12 23:03 [PATCH] Documentation: input: define ABS_PRESSURE/ABS_MT_PRESSURE resolution as grams Peter Hutterer
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2021-01-28 23:43 ` Jonathan Corbet
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