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From: David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Tony Battersby <tonyb@cybernetics.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Ryan Lortie <desrt@desrt.ca>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <greg@kroah.com>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Kristian Hogsberg <krh@bitplanet.net>,
	Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
	Daniel Mack <zonque@gmail.com>, Kay Sievers <kay@vrfy.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] File Sealing & memfd_create()
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 13:44:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANq1E4QgSbD9G70H7W4QeXbZ77_Kn1wV7edwzN4k4NjQJS=36A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1405141456420.2268@eggly.anvils>

Hi

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:
> The aspect which really worries me is this: the maintenance burden.
> This approach would add some peculiar new code, introducing a rare
> special case: which we might get right today, but will very easily
> forget tomorrow when making some other changes to mm.  If we compile
> a list of danger areas in mm, this would surely belong on that list.

I tried doing the page-replacement in the last 4 days, but honestly,
it's far more complex than I thought. So if no-one more experienced
with mm/ comes up with a simple implementation, I'll have to delay
this for some more weeks.

However, I still wonder why we try to fix this as part of this
patchset. Using FUSE, a DIRECT-IO call can be delayed for an arbitrary
amount of time. Same is true for network block-devices, NFS, iscsi,
maybe loop-devices, ... This means, _any_ once mapped page can be
written to after an arbitrary delay. This can break any feature that
makes FS objects read-only (remounting read-only, setting S_IMMUTABLE,
sealing, ..).

Shouldn't we try to fix the _cause_ of this?

Isn't there a simple way to lock/mark/.. affected vmas in
get_user_pages(_fast)() and release them once done? We could increase
i_mmap_writable on all affected address_space and decrease it on
release. This would at least prevent sealing and could be check on
other operations, too (like setting S_IMMUTABLE).
This should be as easy as checking page_mapping(page) != NULL and then
adjusting ->i_mmap_writable in
get_writable_user_pages/put_writable_user_pages, right?

Thanks
David

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-19 11:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-15 18:38 [PATCH v2 0/3] File Sealing & memfd_create() David Herrmann
2014-04-15 18:38 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] shm: add sealing API David Herrmann
2014-05-20  2:16   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-05-23 16:37     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-02 10:30       ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-15 18:38 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] shm: add memfd_create() syscall David Herrmann
2014-05-20  2:20   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-05-23 16:57     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-02 10:59       ` Hugh Dickins
2014-06-02 17:50         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-13 10:42         ` David Herrmann
2014-05-21 10:50   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-04-15 18:38 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] selftests: add memfd_create() + sealing tests David Herrmann
2014-05-20  2:22   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-05-23 17:06     ` David Herrmann
2014-05-14  5:09 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] File Sealing & memfd_create() Hugh Dickins
2014-05-14 16:15   ` Tony Battersby
2014-05-14 22:35     ` Hugh Dickins
2014-05-19 11:44       ` David Herrmann [this message]
2014-05-19 16:09         ` Jan Kara
2014-05-19 22:11           ` Hugh Dickins
2014-05-26 11:44             ` David Herrmann
2014-05-31  4:44               ` Hugh Dickins
2014-06-02  4:42         ` Minchan Kim
2014-06-02  9:14           ` Jan Kara
2014-06-02 16:04             ` David Herrmann
2014-06-03  8:31               ` Peter Zijlstra

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