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From: Nathaniel McCallum <npmccallum@redhat.com>
To: "Dr. Greg" <greg@enjellic.com>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>,
	"Huang, Haitao" <haitao.huang@intel.com>,
	andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com, tglx@linutronix.de, "Svahn,
	Kai" <kai.svahn@intel.com>,
	bp@alien8.de, Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	luto@kernel.org, kai.huang@intel.com, rientjes@google.com,
	cedric.xing@intel.com, Patrick Uiterwijk <puiterwijk@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v27 00/22] Intel SGX foundations
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 17:19:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOASepMmFC5bmoETu_KP967u+vFkqb385JckU1uFHHaVKNVaFw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200228220212.GA7978@wind.enjellic.com>

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:04 PM Dr. Greg <greg@enjellic.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 01:13:17PM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>
> Hi, I hope the week is ending well for everyone.
>
> > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 04:09:32AM -0600, Dr. Greg wrote:
> > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 07:25:37PM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > >
> > > Good morning, I hope the week is starting well for everyone.
> > >
> > > > Intel(R) SGX is a set of CPU instructions that can be used by
> > > > applications to set aside private regions of code and data. The code
> > > > outside the enclave is disallowed to access the memory inside the
> > > > enclave by the CPU access control.
> > >
> > > Do we misinterpret or is the driver not capable of being built in
> > > modular form?
>
> > Correct.
>
> That is what we had concluded, thanks for the verification.
>
> > > If not, it would appear that this functionality has been lost since
> > > version 19 of the driver, admittedly some time ago.
>
> > It was removed in v20[*].
>
> We didn't see documentation of this in any of the v20 release bullet
> points, hence the question.
>
> > > > * Allow the driver to be compiled as a module now that it no code is using
> > > >   its routines and it only uses exported symbols. Now the driver is
> > > >   essentially just a thin ioctl layer.
>
> > > Not having the driver available in modular form obviously makes
> > > work on the driver a bit more cumbersome.
>
> > Heh, depends on your development environment, e.g. I do 99% of my
> > testing in a VM with a very minimal kernel that even an anemic
> > system can incrementally build in a handful of seconds.
>
> Lacking a collection of big beefy development machines with 256+
> gigabytes of RAM isn't the challenge, rebooting to test functionality
> on the physical hardware is what is a bit of a nuisance.
>
> > > I'm assuming that the lack of module support is secondary to some
> > > innate architectural issues with the driver?
>
> > As of today, the only part of the driver that can be extracted into
> > a module is effectively the ioctl() handlers, i.e. a module would
> > just be an ioctl() wrapper around a bunch of in-kernel
> > functionality.  At that point, building the "driver" as a module
> > doesn't provide any novel benefit, e.g.  very little memory
> > footprint savings, reloading the module wouldn't "fix" any bugs with
> > EPC management, SGX can still be forcefully disabled via kernel
> > parameter, etc...  And on the flip side, allowing it to be a module
> > would require exporting a non-trivial number of APIs that really
> > shouldn't be exposed outside of the SGX subsystem.
> >
> > As for why things are baked into the kernel:
> >
> >   - EPC management: support for future enhancements (KVM and EPC cgroup).
> >
> >   - Reclaim: don't add a unnecessary infrastructure, i.e. avoid a callback
> >     mechanism for which there is a single implementation.
> >
> >   - Tracking of LEPUBKEYHASH MSRs: KVM support.
>
> I don't doubt the justifications, just a bit unusual for a driver, but
> this driver is obviously a bit unusual.
>
> It will be interesting to see if the distros compile it in.

We (Fedora) plan to as soon as it is merged. I even plan to ask for a backport.

> Thank you for the clarifications, have a good weekend.
>
> Dr. Greg
>
> As always,
> Dr. Greg Wettstein, Ph.D    Worker / Principal Engineer
> IDfusion, LLC
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>


      reply	other threads:[~2020-02-28 22:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-23 17:25 [PATCH v27 00/22] Intel SGX foundations Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 01/22] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Add Intel SGX hardware bits Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 02/22] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Intel SGX Launch Control " Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 03/22] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Signal SIGSEGV with PF_SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 04/22] x86/sgx: Add SGX microarchitectural data structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03  0:39   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 20:14     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 05/22] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 06/22] x86/cpu/intel: Detect SGX supprt Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 07/22] x86/sgx: Enumerate and track EPC sections Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 08/22] x86/sgx: Add functions to allocate and free EPC pages Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 09/22] mm: Introduce vm_ops->may_mprotect() Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 10/22] x86/sgx: Linux Enclave Driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 11/22] selftests/x86: Recurse into subdirectories Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 12/22] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 13/22] x86/sgx: Add provisioning Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 14/22] x86/sgx: Add a page reclaimer Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 15/22] x86/sgx: ptrace() support for the SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 16/22] x86/vdso: Add support for exception fixup in vDSO functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 17/22] x86/fault: Add helper function to sanitize error code Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 18/22] x86/traps: Attempt to fixup exceptions in vDSO before signaling Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 19/22] x86/vdso: Add __vdso_sgx_enter_enclave() to wrap SGX enclave transitions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 20/22] selftests/x86: Add vDSO selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 21/22] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-23 17:25 ` [PATCH v27 22/22] docs: x86/sgx: Document SGX micro architecture and kernel internals Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-24 10:09 ` [PATCH v27 00/22] Intel SGX foundations Dr. Greg
2020-02-24 21:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-02-28 22:02     ` Dr. Greg
2020-02-28 22:19       ` Nathaniel McCallum [this message]

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