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From: Loganaden Velvindron <loganaden@gmail.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: David Drysdale <drysdale@google.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Meredydd Luff <meredydd@senatehouse.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	James Morris <james.l.morris@oracle.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/11] Adding FreeBSD's Capsicum security framework (part 1)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:01:02 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOp4FwQzN5Wuz60gtxx5kEDCXS0Q9ohL_hVFnDGEJkQ6sM+Hrg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53B51E81.4090700@redhat.com>

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> Il 30/06/2014 12:28, David Drysdale ha scritto:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The last couple of versions of FreeBSD (9.x/10.x) have included the
>> Capsicum security framework [1], which allows security-aware
>> applications to sandbox themselves in a very fine-grained way.  For
>> example, OpenSSH now (>= 6.5) uses Capsicum in its FreeBSD version to
>> restrict sshd's credentials checking process, to reduce the chances of
>> credential leakage.

Aside from OpenSSH, I've also been working on implementing Capsicum,
in other userspace software.



>
>
> Hi David,
>
> we've had similar goals in QEMU.  QEMU can be used as a virtual machine
> monitor from the command line, but it also has an API that lets a management
> tool drive QEMU via AF_UNIX sockets.  Long term, we would like to have a
> restricted mode for QEMU where all file descriptors are obtained via
> SCM_RIGHTS or /dev/fd, and syscalls can be locked down.
>
> Currently we do use seccomp v2 BPF filters, but unfortunately this didn't
> help very much.  QEMU supports hotplugging hence the filter must whitelist
> anything that _might_ be used in the future, which is generally... too much.
>
> Something like Capsicum would be really nice because it attaches
> capabilities to file descriptors.  However, I wonder however how extensible
> Capsicum could be, and I am worried about the proliferation of capabilities
> that its design naturally leads to.
>
> Given Linux's previous experience with BPF filters, what do you think about
> attaching specific BPF programs to file descriptors?  Then whenever a
> syscall is run that affects a file descriptor, the BPF program for the file
> descriptor (attached to a struct file* as in Capsicum) would run in addition
> to the process-wide filter.
>
> An equivalent of PR_SET_NO_NEW_PRIVS can also be added to file descriptors,
> so that a program that doesn't lock down syscalls can still lock down the
> operations (including fcntls and ioctls) on specific file descriptors.
>
> Converting FreeBSD capabilities to BPF programs can be easily implemented in
> userspace.
>
>>   [Capsicum also includes 'capability mode', which locks down the
>>   available syscalls so the rights restrictions can't just be bypassed
>>   by opening new file descriptors; I'll describe that separately later.]
>
>
> This can also be implemented in userspace via seccomp and
> PR_SET_NO_NEW_PRIVS.
>
>>   [Policing the rights checks anywhere else, for example at the system
>>   call boundary, isn't a good idea because it opens up the possibility
>>   of time-of-check/time-of-use (TOCTOU) attacks [2] where FDs are
>>   changed (as openat/close/dup2 are allowed in capability mode) between
>>   the 'check' at syscall entry and the 'use' at fget() invocation.]
>
>
> In the case of BPF filters, I wonder if you could stash the BPF
> "environment" somewhere and then use it at fget() invocation. Alternatively,
> it can be reconstructed at fget() time, similar to your introduction of
> fgetr().
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paolo
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  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-03 10:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-30 10:28 [RFC PATCH 00/11] Adding FreeBSD's Capsicum security framework (part 1) David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 01/11] fs: add O_BENEATH_ONLY flag to openat(2) David Drysdale
2014-06-30 14:49   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-30 15:49     ` David Drysdale
2014-06-30 15:53       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-08 12:07         ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-07-08 12:48           ` Meredydd Luff
2014-07-08 12:51             ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-07-08 13:04               ` Meredydd Luff
2014-07-08 13:12                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-06-30 20:40   ` Andi Kleen
2014-06-30 21:11     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-01  9:53     ` David Drysdale
2014-07-01 18:58       ` Loganaden Velvindron
2014-07-08 12:03   ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-07-08 16:54     ` David Drysdale
2014-07-09  8:48       ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 02/11] selftests: Add test of O_BENEATH_ONLY & openat(2) David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 03/11] capsicum: rights values and structure definitions David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 04/11] capsicum: implement fgetr() and friends David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 05/11] capsicum: convert callers to use fgetr() etc David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 06/11] capsicum: implement sockfd_lookupr() David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 07/11] capsicum: convert callers to use sockfd_lookupr() etc David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 08/11] capsicum: add new LSM hooks on FD/file conversion David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 09/11] capsicum: implementations of new LSM hooks David Drysdale
2014-06-30 16:05   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-02 13:49     ` Paul Moore
2014-07-02 17:09       ` David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 10/11] capsicum: invocation " David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 11/11] capsicum: add syscalls to limit FD rights David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 1/5] man-pages: open.2: describe O_BENEATH_ONLY flag David Drysdale
2014-06-30 22:22   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 2/5] man-pages: capsicum.7: describe Capsicum capability framework David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 3/5] man-pages: rights.7: Describe Capsicum primary rights David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 4/5] man-pages: cap_rights_limit.2: limit FD rights for Capsicum David Drysdale
2014-06-30 14:53   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-30 15:35     ` David Drysdale
2014-06-30 16:06       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-30 16:32         ` David Drysdale
2014-06-30 10:28 ` [PATCH 5/5] man-pages: cap_rights_get: retrieve Capsicum fd rights David Drysdale
2014-06-30 22:28   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-01  9:19     ` David Drysdale
2014-07-01 14:18       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-03  9:12 ` [RFC PATCH 00/11] Adding FreeBSD's Capsicum security framework (part 1) Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-03 10:01   ` Loganaden Velvindron [this message]
2014-07-03 18:39   ` David Drysdale
2014-07-04  7:03     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-07 10:29       ` David Drysdale
2014-07-07 12:20         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-07 14:11           ` David Drysdale
2014-07-07 22:33           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-07-08 14:58             ` Kees Cook
2014-08-16 15:41             ` Pavel Machek

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