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From: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
To: Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com>
Cc: Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ACPI <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PCI <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Documentation <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>,
	"linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org" <linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/12] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 20:04:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPDyKFoAKguKiwnJu6zQF7F-w5AQ+mQoQq_XbNOQrys+c54Jhw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1769d82f-07d3-14c9-c06a-d6afec20fa0e@ti.com>

On 19 October 2017 at 19:21, Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 10/19/2017 03:33 AM, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>> On 18 October 2017 at 23:48, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@rjwysocki.net> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:45:11 PM CEST Grygorii Strashko wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/18/2017 09:11 AM, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>>>> That's the point. We know pm_runtime_force_* works nicely for the
>>>>>>> trivial middle-layer cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In which cases the middle-layer callbacks don't exist, so it's just like
>>>>>> reusing driver callbacks directly. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to ask you clarify one point here and provide some info which I hope can be useful -
>>>> what's exactly means  "trivial middle-layer cases"?
>>>>
>>>> Is it when systems use "drivers/base/power/clock_ops.c - Generic clock
>>>> manipulation PM callbacks" as dev_pm_domain (arm davinci/keystone), or OMAP
>>>> device framework struct dev_pm_domain omap_device_pm_domain
>>>> (arm/mach-omap2/omap_device.c) or static const struct dev_pm_ops
>>>> tegra_aconnect_pm_ops?
>>>>
>>>> if yes all above have PM runtime callbacks.
>>>
>>> Trivial ones don't actually do anything meaningful in their PM callbacks.
>>>
>>> Things like the platform bus type, spi bus type, i2c bus type and similar.
>>>
>>> If the middle-layer callbacks manipulate devices in a significant way, then
>>> they aren't trivial.
>>
>> I fully agree with Rafael's description above, but let me also clarify
>> one more thing.
>>
>> We have also been discussing PM domains as being trivial and
>> non-trivial. In some statements I even think the PM domain has been a
>> part the middle-layer terminology, which may have been a bit
>> confusing.
>>
>> In this regards as we consider genpd being a trivial PM domain, those
>> examples your bring up above is too me also examples of trivial PM
>> domains. Especially because they don't deal with wakeups, as that is
>> taken care of by the drivers, right!?
>
> Not directly, for example, omap device framework has noirq callback implemented
> which forcibly disable all devices which are not PM runtime suspended.
> while doing this it calls drivers PM .runtime_suspend() which may return
> non 0 value and in this case device will be left enabled (powered) at suspend for
> wake up purposes (see _od_suspend_noirq()).
>

Yeah, I had that feeling that omap has some trickyness going on. :-)

I sure that can be fixed in the omap PM domain, although

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-19 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-16  1:12 [PATCH 0/12] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 01/12] PM / core: Add NEVER_SKIP and SMART_PREPARE driver flags Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  5:34   ` Lukas Wunner
2017-10-16 22:03     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  6:28   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-16 22:05     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17  7:15       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-17 15:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18  6:56           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-16  6:31   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-16 22:07     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17 13:26       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-16 20:16   ` Alan Stern
2017-10-16 22:11     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18 23:17   ` [Update][PATCH v2 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-19  7:33     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-20 11:11       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-20 11:35         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-20 11:28           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 16:37     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-23 20:41       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 02/12] PCI / PM: Use the NEVER_SKIP driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 16:40   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 03/12] PM: i2c-designware-platdrv: Use DPM_FLAG_SMART_PREPARE Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 16:57   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 04/12] PM / core: Add SMART_SUSPEND driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 19:01   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-24  5:22   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-24  8:55     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 05/12] PCI / PM: Drop unnecessary invocations of pcibios_pm_ops callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 19:06   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 06/12] PCI / PM: Take SMART_SUSPEND driver flag into account Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:29 ` [PATCH 07/12] ACPI / LPSS: Consolidate runtime PM and system sleep handling Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 19:09   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-16  1:30 ` [PATCH 08/12] ACPI / PM: Take SMART_SUSPEND driver flag into account Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:30 ` [PATCH 09/12] PM / mfd: intel-lpss: Use DPM_FLAG_SMART_SUSPEND Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-31 15:09   ` Lee Jones
2017-10-31 16:28     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-01  9:28       ` Lee Jones
2017-11-01 20:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 11:08           ` Lee Jones
2017-10-16  1:30 ` [PATCH 10/12] PM / core: Add LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-23 19:38   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-16  1:31 ` [PATCH 11/12] PM: i2c-designware-platdrv: Optimize power management Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-26 20:41   ` Wolfram Sang
2017-10-26 21:14     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  1:32 ` [PATCH 12/12] PM / core: Add AVOID_RPM driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17 15:33   ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 15:59     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17 16:25       ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-16  7:08 ` [PATCH 0/12] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-10-16 21:50   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17  8:36 ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-17 15:25   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17 19:41     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-17 20:12       ` Alan Stern
2017-10-17 23:07         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18  0:39       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18 10:24         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18 12:34           ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-18 21:54             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18 11:57         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-18 13:00           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-18 14:11             ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-18 19:45               ` Grygorii Strashko
2017-10-18 21:48                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-19  8:33                   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-19 17:21                     ` Grygorii Strashko
2017-10-19 18:04                       ` Ulf Hansson [this message]
2017-10-19 18:11                         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-19 21:31                           ` Grygorii Strashko
2017-10-20  6:05                             ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-18 22:12               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-19 12:21                 ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-19 18:01                   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-20  1:19                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-20  5:57                     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-20 20:46 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-10-21  1:04   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-27 22:11 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume (part 1) Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-27 22:17   ` [PATCH v2 1/6] PM / core: Add NEVER_SKIP and SMART_PREPARE driver flags Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-06  8:07     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-10-27 22:19   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] PCI / PM: Use the NEVER_SKIP driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-27 22:22   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] PM / core: Add SMART_SUSPEND " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-06  8:09     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-06 11:23       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-27 22:23   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] PCI / PM: Drop unnecessary invocations of pcibios_pm_ops callbacks Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-27 22:27   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] PCI / PM: Take SMART_SUSPEND driver flag into account Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-31 22:48     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-10-27 22:30   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] ACPI " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08  0:41   ` [PATCH v2 0/6] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume (part 2) Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 13:25     ` [PATCH v2 1/6] PM / core: Add LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-10  9:09       ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-10 23:45         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-11  0:41           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-11  1:36           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-14 16:07           ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-15  1:48             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-16 10:18               ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-08 13:28     ` [PATCH v2 2/6] PCI / PM: Support for " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 20:38       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-11-08 21:09         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 13:34     ` [PATCH v2 3/6] ACPI / PM: Support for LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag in ACPI PM domain Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 13:37     ` [PATCH v2 4/6] PM / core: Add helpers for subsystem callback selection Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 13:38     ` [PATCH v2 5/6] PM / core: Direct handling of DPM_FLAG_LEAVE_SUSPENDED Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-08 13:39     ` [PATCH v2 6/6] PM / core: DPM_FLAG_SMART_SUSPEND optimization Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:34     ` [PATCH v3 0/6] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume (part 2) Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:37       ` [PATCH v3 1/6] PM / core: Add LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-16 15:10         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-16 23:07           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-17  6:11             ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-17 13:18               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-17 13:49                 ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-17 14:31                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-17 15:57                     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-17 12:45             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:40       ` [PATCH v3 2/6] PCI / PM: Support for " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:40       ` [PATCH v3 3/6] ACPI / PM: Support for LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag in ACPI PM domain Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:42       ` [PATCH v3 4/6] PM / core: Add helpers for subsystem callback selection Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-15  7:43         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-15 17:55           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:43       ` [PATCH v3 5/6] PM / core: Direct handling of DPM_FLAG_LEAVE_SUSPENDED Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-12  0:44       ` [PATCH v3 6/6] PM / core: DPM_FLAG_SMART_SUSPEND optimization Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:27       ` [PATCH v4 0/6] PM / sleep: Driver flags for system suspend/resume (part 2) Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:31         ` [PATCH v4 1/6] PM / core: Add LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-20 12:25           ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-21  0:16             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:33         ` [PATCH v4 2/6] PCI / PM: Support for " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:35         ` [PATCH v4 3/6] ACPI / PM: Support for LEAVE_SUSPENDED driver flag in ACPI PM domain Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:37         ` [PATCH v4 4/6] PM / core: Add helpers for subsystem callback selection Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:41         ` [PATCH v4 5/6] PM / core: Direct handling of DPM_FLAG_LEAVE_SUSPENDED Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-20 13:42           ` Ulf Hansson
2017-11-22  1:10             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-22  1:28               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-11-18 14:44         ` [PATCH v4 6/6] PM / core: DPM_FLAG_SMART_SUSPEND optimization Rafael J. Wysocki

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