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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	"James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>,
	Stephen Bates <sbates@raithlin.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <maxg@mellanox.com>,
	Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:53:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4iqnz1B00Q3xG-nGrLXdOyB7ditxmwZyotksLFgUqr+jA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1492311719.25766.37.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt
<benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 2017-04-15 at 15:09 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>> I'm wondering, since this is limited to support behind a single
>> switch, if you could have a software-iommu hanging off that switch
>> device object that knows how to catch and translate the non-zero
>> offset bus address case. We have something like this with VMD driver,
>> and I toyed with a soft pci bridge when trying to support AHCI+NVME
>> bar remapping. When the dma api looks up the iommu for its device it
>> hits this soft-iommu and that driver checks if the page is host memory
>> or device memory to do the dma translation. You wouldn't need a bit in
>> struct page, just a lookup to the hosting struct dev_pagemap in the
>> is_zone_device_page() case and that can point you to p2p details.
>
> I was thinking about a hook in the arch DMA ops but that kind of
> wrapper might work instead indeed. However I'm not sure what's the best
> way to "instantiate" it.
>
> The main issue is that the DMA ops are a function of the initiator,
> not the target (since the target is supposed to be memory) so things
> are a bit awkward.
>
> One (user ?) would have to know that a given device "intends" to DMA
> directly to another device.
>
> This is awkward because in the ideal scenario, this isn't something the
> device knows. For example, one could want to have an existing NIC DMA
> directly to/from NVME pages or GPU pages.
>
> The NIC itself doesn't know the characteristic of these pages, but
> *something* needs to insert itself in the DMA ops of that bridge to
> make it possible.
>
> That's why I wonder if it's the struct page of the target that should
> be "marked" in such a way that the arch dma'ops can immediately catch
> that they belong to a device and might require "wrapped" operations.
>
> Are ZONE_DEVICE pages identifiable based on the struct page alone ? (a
> flag ?)

Yes, is_zone_device_page(). However I think we're getting to the point
with pmem, hmm, cdm, and now p2p where ZONE_DEVICE is losing specific
meaning and we need to have explicit type checks like is_hmm_page()
is_p2p_page() that internally check is_zone_device_page() plus some
other specific type.

> That would allow us to keep a fast path for normal memory targets, but
> also have some kind of way to handle the special cases of such peer 2
> peer (or also handle other type of peer to peer that don't necessarily
> involve PCI address wrangling but could require additional iommu bits).
>
> Just thinking out loud ... I don't have a firm idea or a design. But
> peer to peer is definitely a problem we need to tackle generically, the
> demand for it keeps coming up.

ZONE_DEVICE allows you to redirect via get_dev_pagemap() to retrieve
context about the physical address in question. I'm thinking you can
hang bus address translation data off of that structure. This seems
vaguely similar to what HMM is doing.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-04-16 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-30 22:12 [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-30 22:12 ` [RFC 1/8] Introduce Peer-to-Peer memory (p2pmem) device Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-31 18:49   ` Sinan Kaya
2017-03-31 21:23     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-31 21:38       ` Sinan Kaya
2017-03-31 22:42         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-31 23:51           ` Sinan Kaya
2017-04-01  1:57             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-01  2:17               ` okaya
2017-04-01 22:16                 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-02  2:26                   ` Sinan Kaya
2017-04-02 17:21                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-02 21:03                       ` Sinan Kaya
2017-04-03  4:26                         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-25 11:58                           ` Marta Rybczynska
2017-04-25 16:58                             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-30 22:12 ` [RFC 2/8] cxgb4: setup pcie memory window 4 and create p2pmem region Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-04 10:42   ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-04-04 15:56     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-05 15:41     ` Steve Wise
2017-03-30 22:12 ` [RFC 3/8] nvmet: Use p2pmem in nvme target Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-04 10:40   ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-04-04 16:16     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-06  5:47       ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-04-06 15:52         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-30 22:12 ` [RFC 4/8] p2pmem: Add debugfs "stats" file Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-04 10:46   ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-04-04 17:25     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-05 15:43     ` Steve Wise
2017-03-30 22:12 ` [RFC 5/8] scatterlist: Modify SG copy functions to support io memory Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-31  7:09   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-31 15:41     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-03 21:20       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-03 21:44         ` Dan Williams
2017-04-03 22:10           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-03 22:47             ` Dan Williams
2017-04-03 23:12               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-04  0:07                 ` Dan Williams
2017-04-07 17:59                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-30 22:12 ` [RFC 6/8] nvmet: Be careful about using iomem accesses when dealing with p2pmem Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-04 10:59   ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-04-04 15:46     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-04 17:21       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-06  5:33       ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-04-06 16:02         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-06 16:35         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-07 11:19         ` Stephen  Bates
2017-04-10  8:29           ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-04-10 16:03             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-30 22:12 ` [RFC 7/8] p2pmem: Support device removal Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-30 22:12 ` [RFC 8/8] p2pmem: Added char device user interface Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-12  5:22 ` [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-12 17:09   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-12 21:55     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-13 21:22       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-13 22:37         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-13 23:26         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-04-14  4:16           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-14  4:40             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-14 11:37               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-14 11:39                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-14 11:37             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-14 17:30               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-14 19:04                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-04-14 22:07                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-15 17:41                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-15 22:09                       ` Dan Williams
2017-04-16  3:01                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-16  4:46                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-16 15:53                           ` Dan Williams [this message]
2017-04-16 16:34                             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-16 22:31                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-24  7:36                                 ` Knut Omang
2017-04-24 16:14                                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-25  6:30                                     ` Knut Omang
2017-04-25 17:03                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-25 21:23                                         ` Stephen  Bates
2017-04-25 21:23                                   ` Stephen  Bates
2017-04-16 22:26                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-15 22:17                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-16  5:36                         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-16 15:44 Dan Williams
2017-04-16 16:47 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-16 22:32   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-17  5:13     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-17  7:20       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-17 16:52         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-17 17:04           ` Dan Williams
2017-04-18  5:22             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-17 18:04           ` Jerome Glisse
2017-04-18  6:14             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-17 21:11           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-18  5:43             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-18  6:29               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-16 22:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-18 16:45   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 17:27     ` Dan Williams
2017-04-18 18:00       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 18:34         ` Dan Williams
2017-04-19  1:13         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-18 22:46       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-18 22:52         ` Dan Williams
2017-04-18 18:30     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 19:01       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 19:35         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 19:48           ` Dan Williams
2017-04-18 20:29             ` Jerome Glisse
2017-04-18 20:31               ` Dan Williams
2017-04-18 20:48                 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-19  1:17                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-18 21:03             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 21:11               ` Dan Williams
2017-04-18 21:22                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 21:36                   ` Dan Williams
2017-04-18 22:15                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 22:28                       ` Dan Williams
2017-04-18 22:42                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 22:51                           ` Dan Williams
2017-04-18 23:21                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-19  1:25                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-18 22:48                         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 22:50                           ` Dan Williams
2017-04-18 22:56                             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 23:02                               ` Dan Williams
2017-04-19  1:21                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-18 21:31               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 22:24                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 23:03                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-19  1:23                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-19  1:20               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-19 15:55                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 16:48                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 17:01                     ` Dan Williams
2017-04-19 17:32                       ` Jerome Glisse
2017-04-19 17:41                         ` Dan Williams
2017-04-19 18:11                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 18:19                             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 18:30                               ` Dan Williams
2017-04-19 18:41                                 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 18:44                                   ` Dan Williams
2017-04-20 20:43                           ` Stephen  Bates
2017-04-20 20:47                             ` Dan Williams
2017-04-20 23:07                               ` Stephen  Bates
2017-04-21  4:59                                 ` Dan Williams
2017-04-19 17:14                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 18:01                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 18:32                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 19:02                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 19:31                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 19:41                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 20:48                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-19 22:55                                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-20  0:07                                     ` Dan Williams
2017-04-18 19:48           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-04-18 20:06             ` Logan Gunthorpe

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