From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC8FECE562 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 02:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF0B20C0E for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 02:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=lkcl.net header.i=@lkcl.net header.b="IhcC8YTh" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org BFF0B20C0E Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=lkcl.net Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727306AbeIRHlK (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Sep 2018 03:41:10 -0400 Received: from lkcl.net ([217.147.94.29]:34000 "EHLO lkcl.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725928AbeIRHlK (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Sep 2018 03:41:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lkcl.net; s=201607131; h=Content-Type:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:From:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version; bh=3IWMnUUSxpCgXmfIHcAv2MALAw9Hl43Robt+HPNoFfM=; b=IhcC8YThNcE9r9lffP9Emv0+/1A0oyt7Gv1yg9mYyWpQ7ElgH5jdkRLCm3HG6AVNVQctp4pVmeL7FrWgGBxB1s0sd+XwNJhIE8DNno+vKOWKc4EWu8eM/qc3yc15vxNf20Io235q3I7t7PwuOwOioNG5n/4edJPz/gpZov0j5Bo=; Received: from mail-it0-f47.google.com ([209.85.214.47]) by lkcl.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g25Te-0002TT-3x for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 02:10:58 +0000 Received: by mail-it0-f47.google.com with SMTP id h1-v6so1039729itj.4 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51B1WvlW2e6otPBzpn8qFYx9rq5tpYaknPpPyi3x2ASvIcgx1Y3n YoQN9YAEprag+NAh9ckCCgqR/Hb9Pir3eBuobLc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYOY5WM1n6mIeScsVNfZBxwiUgIXFmAHNK5KL+/WyUY6Wxd5Jh1WBTpg6xsDsZg6eP2zXotSG4o4j/yAxymTP8= X-Received: by 2002:a24:ccc6:: with SMTP id x189-v6mr13262655itf.110.1537236635684; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:10:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a6b:1543:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:10:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 03:10:35 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note To: Linus Torvalds , Linux Kernel Mailing List , clm@fb.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com, corbet@lwn.net, olof@lxom.net, rostedt@goodmis.org, Greg KH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8a104f8b5867c682d994ffa7a74093c54469c11f ahh, guys? ah... i'm going to try *really* hard to follow the advice that's listed here ok? http://www.pndc.com/documents/_PDF%20Text-PNDC%20WORKS.pdf it's a little challenging to do so in email, as it's specifically designed (page 6) for face-to-face conversations. following point (1) on page 6, i believe that the question i should be asking is best phrased as follows: * what was the intent behind the change to a "code of conduct"? following point (4) on page 7, a second question i believe should be phrased as follows: * whilst the "positive" list of behaviours look good on first glance, we've witnessed what happened with freebsd when they adopted a "code of conduct": would a (public) reasonable and rational discussion with a view to removing the "proscribed" list of negative behaviours be welcome? [1] l. [1] it's a little more complex than that, you get the general idea.