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Even though we already try, every subsystem has its own set >> of >> patterns that reflect the most frequent contributors. > > That's an interesting point, because to me, it's the exact opposite. > One > of the intellectual rewards I find in working with the kernel is that > our community is international and multicultural, allowing me to learn > about other cultures. Aiming for the lowest common denominator seems > to > me to be closer to erasing cultural differences than including them. I hadn’t thought of it from this angle, but I do agree with you. I think the cultural side comes through more in discussions and in-person conferences than it does from the code itself. I do try to avoid local idioms or culture references unless I’m explaining them as part of a discussion or a personal story, mostly because I’ve gotten feedback from coworkers who had a hard time following my bad (ok, terrible) jokes or sarcasm. One internal example is commands that take —clowntown as an argument. It’s pretty therapeutic to type when you’re grumpy about tooling, but a lot of people probably have to look it up before it makes sense. -chris