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From: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@akamai.com>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Julia Cartwright <julia@ni.com>,
	Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Edward Cree <ecree@solarflare.com>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/6] Static calls
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 17:32:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D8481FBB-4873-43B2-9187-C0896E859191@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190110164401.g747vifrppbhbo3o@treble>

> On Jan 10, 2019, at 8:44 AM, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 01:21:00AM +0000, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>> On Jan 9, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> With this version, I stopped trying to use text_poke_bp(), and instead
>>> went with a different approach: if the call site destination doesn't
>>> cross a cacheline boundary, just do an atomic write.  Otherwise, keep
>>> using the trampoline indefinitely.
>>> 
>>> NOTE: At least experimentally, the call destination writes seem to be
>>> atomic with respect to instruction fetching.  On Nehalem I can easily
>>> trigger crashes when writing a call destination across cachelines while
>>> reading the instruction on other CPU; but I get no such crashes when
>>> respecting cacheline boundaries.
>>> 
>>> BUT, the SDM doesn't document this approach, so it would be great if any
>>> CPU people can confirm that it's safe!
>> 
>> I (still) think that having a compiler plugin can make things much cleaner
>> (as done in [1]). The callers would not need to be changed, and the key can
>> be provided through an attribute.
>> 
>> Using a plugin should also allow to use Steven’s proposal for doing
>> text_poke() safely: by changing 'func()' into 'asm (“call func”)', as done
>> by the plugin, you can be guaranteed that registers are clobbered. Then, you
>> can store in the assembly block the return address in one of these
>> registers.
> 
> I'm no GCC expert (why do I find myself saying this a lot lately?), but
> this sounds to me like it could be tricky to get right.
> 
> I suppose you'd have to do it in an early pass, to allow GCC to clobber
> the registers in a later pass.  So it would necessarily have side
> effects, but I don't know what the risks are.

I’m not GCC expert either and writing this code was not making me full of
joy, etc.. I’ll be happy that my code would be reviewed, but it does work. I
don’t think an early pass is needed, as long as hardware registers were not
allocated.

> Would it work with more than 5 arguments, where args get passed on the
> stack?

It does.

> 
> At the very least, it would (at least partially) defeat the point of the
> callee-saved paravirt ops.

Actually, I think you can even deal with callee-saved functions and remove
all the (terrible) macros. You would need to tell the extension not to
clobber the registers through a new attribute.

> What if we just used a plugin in a simpler fashion -- to do call site
> alignment, if necessary, to ensure the instruction doesn't cross
> cacheline boundaries.  This could be done in a later pass, with no side
> effects other than code layout.  And it would allow us to avoid
> breakpoints altogether -- again, assuming somebody can verify that
> intra-cacheline call destination writes are atomic with respect to
> instruction decoder reads.

The plugin should not be able to do so. Layout of the bytecode is done by
the assembler, so I don’t think a plugin would help you with this one.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-10 17:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-09 22:59 [PATCH v3 0/6] Static calls Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] compiler.h: Make __ADDRESSABLE() symbol truly unique Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] static_call: Add basic static call infrastructure Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 14:03   ` Edward Cree
2019-01-10 18:37     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] x86/static_call: Add out-of-line static call implementation Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10  0:16   ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 16:28     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] static_call: Add inline static call infrastructure Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] x86/alternative: Use a single access in text_poke() where possible Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10  9:32   ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 17:20     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 17:29       ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 17:32       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-01-10 17:42         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-01-10 17:57           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-01-10 18:04             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-01-10 18:21               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 18:24               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-01-11 12:10               ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-01-11 15:28                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 16:46                   ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-01-11 16:57                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 17:41                       ` Jason Baron
2019-01-11 17:54                         ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-15 11:10                       ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-01-15 16:19                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-01-15 16:45                           ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-01-11  0:59           ` hpa
2019-01-11  1:34             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-01-11  8:13               ` hpa
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] x86/static_call: Add inline static call implementation for x86-64 Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10  1:21 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] Static calls Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 16:44   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 17:32     ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2019-01-10 18:18       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 19:45         ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 20:32           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 20:48             ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 20:57               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 21:47                 ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 17:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10 20:51   ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-10 20:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-10 20:52   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 23:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  0:56       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-11  1:47         ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 15:15           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 15:48             ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 16:07               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 17:23                 ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 19:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11 19:17               ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 19:23               ` hpa
2019-01-11 19:33                 ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 19:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-13  0:34                   ` hpa
2019-01-13  0:36                   ` hpa
2019-01-11 19:39                 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-14  2:31                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-14  2:40                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-14 20:11                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-14 22:00                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-14 22:54                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-15  3:05                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-15  5:01                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-15  5:37                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-14 23:27                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-14 23:51                           ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-15  2:28                           ` hpa
2019-01-11 20:04               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 20:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11 20:31                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 20:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11 21:05                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-11 21:10                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11 21:32                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-14 12:28                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-11 21:22                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 21:23                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 21:25                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 21:36                         ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 21:41                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 21:55                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-01-11 21:59                               ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 21:56                             ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-12 23:54                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-17 21:10     ` Jann Horn
2020-02-17 21:57       ` Steven Rostedt

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