From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C8CECE561 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 02:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690D421547 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 02:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=protonmail.com header.i=@protonmail.com header.b="xEeE9mzn" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 690D421547 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=protonmail.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2388994AbeIUIMs (ORCPT ); Fri, 21 Sep 2018 04:12:48 -0400 Received: from mail-40130.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.130]:42630 "EHLO mail-40130.protonmail.ch" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S2388834AbeIUIMs (ORCPT ); Fri, 21 Sep 2018 04:12:48 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 576 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 04:12:46 EDT Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 02:16:26 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=default; t=1537496195; bh=7kzkp8KEJHM6rTGjyQ2xjXCScOVGWUaX6YWPkEjGFJM=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From; b=xEeE9mznbrvD4lE7tVqsZmrx8zL9JX8Ziq6ZY0hygnumh8cV1hPtid3zkz0rN9w0F SS85UvX5XMCVmp1xg1RSNnTiIo0mIFa3psJWDrAfkJStYM7o+jWe49DLfX7vF5bM/c ioLTULgPmxxW0VnPIoMjj2g3OZCWG4Fe0lDiw12M= To: Rik van Riel From: unixing Cc: Edward Cree , Olof Johansson , Jonathan Corbet , Linux Kernel Mailing List Reply-To: unixing Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <589966d9cd0ddccc88f33fcb7975bb4464be7696.camel@surriel.com> References: <20180919081812.020f19e3@lwn.net> <72dadc76-44fe-ecb5-e142-0a9129082c93@cantab.net> <93b77a9a-12c3-6f7d-d2c3-0e0d7875a28b@cantab.net> <589966d9cd0ddccc88f33fcb7975bb4464be7696.camel@surriel.com> Feedback-ID: wTGFgwcoIsrIh1iwo1bD9totX91T5sRcrLKtqn6c4s8nw7_WdI5LIfPdMxl3IVd7NLaC-vEFVC2YcJoCv_744g==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Friday, September 21, 2018 1:48 AM, Rik van Riel wrot= e: > On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 03:14 +0100, Edward Cree wrote: > > > I think there are important differences between code to be run by > > CPUs > > and a Code to be run by humans. And when the author goes on a > > victory > > lap on Twitter and declares the Code to be "a political document", > > is > > it any surprise I'm worried? > > Speaking for myself, I expect there will be occasional > impedance mismatches in communication between people > from different cultures, and people with different > neurotypes. > > That is not only expected, it is also perfectly fine. > > If people end up feeling like they are in conflict > with each other, and they would like help resolving > it, the first task of the TAB will be to mediate, > and help people figure out how communication could > be improved. > > The goal of the code of conduct is to make the community > welcoming, and to help people with being a part of the > Linux community. > > Mediation is not about telling people what to do, > but about asking the people involved what they would > like to see, and helping to breach the gap between > their styles of communication. > > As an aside, the TAB has no power to remove anyone > from the community. Patches are applied by maintainers, > mailing lists are run by their administrators. > > The only things the TAB can do is mediate and advise. That couldn't be more wrong. The existence of a TAB itself is the problem. The community will be pushed to behave according to what TAB expects to, otherwise the person will be shamed and could even have their job jeopardized. The world currently is walking towards a culture where everyone claimed to = be oppressed becomes a mini dictator that can force, shame, offend. I borrow the words of a wise man who's no longer alive: =E2=80=9CAll of it began the first time some of you who know bettet... let young people think that they had the right to choose the laws they would obey as long as they were doing it in the name of social protest.=E2=80=9D I'm using a phony e-mail because I don't feel "job-wise" safe to criticize this culture, as the punishment is to lose job, end career, end social life, etc. I ask our fellows linuxers to not allow this culture to take over our community. If the current code of conflict isn't working, let's create a new one, politically NEUTRAL, and without any set of people with power to dictate the behavior of thousands of engineers. Linux is NOT a hostile place to work. According to this culture, I am a minority, coming from third world country who found on Linux community (since kernel 2.4) a very good source of knowledge and freedom. Kind regards, Unixing