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From: "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com>
To: "Andy Isaacson" <adi@hexapodia.org>,
	"Jesse Pollard" <jesse@cats-chateau.net>
Cc: <netdev@oss.sgi.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: TOE brain dump
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:13:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKOEOCEOAA.davids@webmaster.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030806143956.B15543@hexapodia.org>


> This statement is completely false.  Ethernet switches *do* read the
> packet into memory before starting transmission.

	Some do. Some don't. Some are configurable.

> This must be so,
> because an Ethernet switch does not propagate runts, jabber frames, or
> frames with an incorrect ethernet crc.

	If they use cut-through switching, they do. Some use adaptive switching,
which means they use cut-through switching but change to store and forward
if there are too many runts, jabber frames, bad CRCs, and so on.

	Obviously, you can't always do a cut-through. If the target port is busy,
cut-through is impossible. If the ports are different speeds, cut-through is
impossible. The Intel 510T switch for my home network does adaptive
switching with configurable error thresholds. In fact, it's even smarter
than that, with an intermediate mode that suppresses runts without doing a
full store and forward. See:
http://www.intel.com/support/express/switches/23188.htm

> If the switch starts
> transmission before it's received the last bit, it is provably
> impossible for it to avoid propagating crc-failing-frames; ergo,
> switches must have the entire packet on hand before starting
> transmission.

	Except not all switches always avoid propogating bad frames.

	DS



  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-06 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-02 17:04 TOE brain dump Werner Almesberger
2003-08-02 17:32 ` Nivedita Singhvi
2003-08-02 18:06   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-02 19:08   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-02 21:49     ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03  6:40       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-03 17:57         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03 18:27           ` Erik Andersen
2003-08-03 19:40             ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-03 20:13               ` David Lang
2003-08-03 20:30                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-03 21:21                   ` David Lang
2003-08-03 23:44                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-03 21:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-05 19:28                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-03 20:34               ` jamal
2003-08-04  1:47         ` Glen Turner
2003-08-04  3:48           ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-06  7:12         ` Andre Hedrick
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.10.10308060009130.25045-100000@master.linux-ide .org>
2003-08-06  8:20           ` Lincoln Dale
2003-08-06  8:22             ` David S. Miller
2003-08-06 13:07               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-03 19:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-08-04 19:24         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 19:26           ` David S. Miller
2003-08-05 17:19           ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-08-06  5:13             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-06  7:58               ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-08-06 13:37                 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-06 15:58                   ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 16:27                     ` Chris Friesen
2003-08-06 17:01                       ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 17:55                         ` Matti Aarnio
2003-08-07  2:14                         ` Lincoln Dale
2003-08-06 12:46             ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-06 16:25               ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 18:58                 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-06 19:39                   ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 21:13                     ` David Schwartz [this message]
2003-08-03  4:01     ` Ben Greear
2003-08-03  6:22       ` Alan Shih
2003-08-03  6:41         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-03  8:25         ` David Lang
2003-08-03 18:05           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03 22:02           ` Alan Shih
2003-08-03 20:52       ` Alan Cox
2003-08-04 14:36     ` Ingo Oeser
2003-08-04 17:19       ` Alan Shih
2003-08-05  8:15         ` Ingo Oeser
2003-08-02 20:57 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-02 22:14   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03 20:51     ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <g83n.8vu.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-03 12:13 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-03 18:10   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04  8:55     ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-04 13:08       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-04 19:32       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 19:48         ` David Lang
2003-08-04 19:56           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 20:01             ` David Lang
2003-08-04 20:09               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 20:24                 ` David Lang
2003-08-05  1:38                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-05  1:46                     ` David Lang
2003-08-05  1:54                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-05  2:30                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-06  1:47                           ` Val Henson
2003-08-05  3:04                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 23:30           ` Peter Chubb
     [not found] <gq0f.8bj.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <gvCD.4mJ.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <gJmp.7Th.33@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <gNpS.2YJ.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-04 14:15       ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-04 14:56         ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-04 15:51           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-04 18:36 Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2003-08-04 19:03 ` Alan Cox

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