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From: Bryan Henderson <hbryan@us.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@argo.co.il>
Cc: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] VM: I have a dream...
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:52:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <OF9B696195.5A30AEF3-ON882570FF.006879C2-882570FF.006D26D2@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43D28189.3080407@argo.co.il>

>Perhaps you'd be interested in single-level store architectures, where 
>no distinction is made between memory and storage. IBM uses it in one 
>(or maybe more) of their systems.

It's the IBM Eserver I Series, nee System/38 (A.D. 1980), aka AS/400.

It was expected at one time to be the next generation of computer 
architecture, but it turned out that the computing world had matured to 
the point that it was more important to be backward compatible than to 
push frontiers.

The single 128 bit address space addresses every byte of information in 
the system.  The underlying system keeps the majority of it on disk, and 
the logic that loads stuff into electronic memory when it has to be there 
is below the level that any ordinary program would see, much like the 
logic in an IA32 CPU that loads stuff into processor cache.  It's worth 
noting that nowhere in an I Series machine is a layer that looks like a 
CPU Linux runs on; it's designed for single level storage from the gates 
on up through the operating system.

I found Al's dream rather vague, which explains why several people 
inferred different ideas from it (and then beat them down).  It sort of 
sounds like single level storage, but also like virtual memory and like 
mmap.  I assume it's actually supposed to be something different from all 
those.

I personally have set my sights further down the road: I want an address 
space that addresses every byte of information in the universe, not just 
"in" a computer system.  And the infrastructure should move it around 
among various media for optimal access without me worrying about it.

--
Bryan Henderson                     IBM Almaden Research Center
San Jose CA                         Filesystems


  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-23 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-21 18:08 [RFC] VM: I have a dream Al Boldi
2006-01-21 18:42 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-21 18:46 ` Avi Kivity
2006-01-23 19:52   ` Bryan Henderson [this message]
2006-01-25 22:04     ` Al Boldi
2006-01-26 19:18       ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-27 16:12         ` Al Boldi
2006-01-27 19:17           ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-30 13:21             ` Al Boldi
2006-01-30 13:35               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-31 15:56                 ` Al Boldi
2006-01-31 16:34                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-31 23:14                     ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-31 16:34                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-01-31 19:23                   ` Jamie Lokier
2006-02-01  4:06                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-02-01  9:51                     ` Andrew Walrond
2006-02-01 17:51                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-02-01 18:21                         ` Andrew Walrond
2006-02-01 18:25                           ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-02-02 15:11                   ` Alan Cox
2006-02-02 18:59                     ` Al Boldi
2006-02-02 22:33                       ` Bryan Henderson
2006-02-03 14:46                       ` Alan Cox
2006-01-30 16:49               ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-26  0:03     ` Jon Smirl
2006-01-26 19:48       ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-22  8:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-22 12:33 ` Robin Holt
2006-01-23 18:03   ` Al Boldi
2006-01-23 18:40     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-23 19:26       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-01-23 19:40         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-23 22:26     ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-22 19:55 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-01-23  5:23   ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-23  5:46     ` Chase Venters
2006-01-23  8:20       ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-01-23 13:17       ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-23 20:21         ` Peter Chubb
2006-01-23 15:05     ` Ram Gupta
2006-01-23 15:26       ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-23 16:11         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-01-23 16:50           ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-24  2:08           ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-25  6:13             ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-25  9:23             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-25  9:42               ` Lee Revell
2006-01-25 15:02                 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-25 23:24                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-25 15:05               ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-25 15:47                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-25 16:09                 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-25 17:26                   ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-26 19:13                     ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-25 23:28                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-26  1:29                   ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-26  5:01                   ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-26  5:11                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-26 14:46                       ` Dave Kleikamp
2006-01-24  2:10           ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-25 22:27         ` Nix
2006-01-26 15:13           ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-01-26 16:23             ` Nix
2006-01-23 20:43       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-23 22:42         ` Nikita Danilov
2006-01-24 14:36           ` Ram Gupta
2006-01-24 15:04             ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-24 20:59               ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-24 15:11             ` Nikita Danilov
2006-01-23 22:57         ` Ram Gupta
2006-01-24 10:08         ` Meelis Roos
2006-02-01 13:58 Al Boldi
2006-02-01 14:38 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-02-02 12:26   ` Al Boldi

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