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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Hans Reiser <reiser@Namesys.COM>
Cc: Nikita Danilov <Nikita@Namesys.COM>,
	Bryan Whitehead <driver@jpl.nasa.gov>,
	Nick LeRoy <nleroy@cs.wisc.edu>, jw schultz <jw@pegasys.ws>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: XFS?
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:47:45 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1020913113354.23423A-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D81DD9E.4050303@namesys.com>

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Hans Reiser wrote:

> Bill Davidsen wrote:

> >No, that's probably a good thing. I don't care how good any programming
> >team might be, an implementation written from scratch probably should burn
> >in for a while before going in anywhere it might be used for production.
> >
> >And with all respect to the group, a 4th rewite from scratch in only a few
> >years suggests that the ratio of coding to designing is pretty high.

> As for the notion that the more designing you do, the less rewriting you 
> need to do, it is a bit like the belief that the better your scientific 
> theories the less you need to perform experiments.

Exactly so. I spent several decades doing software development at GE's
Corporate R&D Center, and I had ample proof that both of those things are
true. I think the phrase you want in English is "fewer experiments you
need to perform," but you did see the principle.
 
> Projects that are no longer attempting rewrites of their cores are dead 
> in their soul, and their authors should pass them on to someone younger.

Hear that, Linus? Off to the retirement home with you unless you "rm *"
your source tree and "go back to Baltimore and start over again as a
virgin." Actually I think that Linux is an example of major software
designed from the start to be rewritten in parts and to evolve as a whole.
no clean sheet of paper needed.

-- 
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
  CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
Doing interesting things with little computers since 1979.


  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-13 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20020909193820.GA2007@lnuxlab.ath.cx.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209091457590.3793-100000@hawkeye.luckynet.adm.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-09-09 21:12   ` XFS? Andi Kleen
2002-09-09 21:20     ` XFS? Shawn
2002-09-09 21:27       ` XFS? Robert Love
2002-09-10 17:15       ` XFS? Mike Galbraith
2002-09-10 19:23         ` XFS? Shawn
2002-09-10 19:29           ` XFS? Robert Love
2002-09-10 19:33           ` XFS? Thunder from the hill
2002-09-11  0:33             ` XFS? Bryan Whitehead
2002-09-10 20:06           ` XFS? John Alvord
2002-09-10 20:17             ` XFS? Hans Reiser
2002-09-10 20:17             ` XFS? Joe Kellner
2002-09-10 20:26               ` XFS? David Lang
2002-09-10 20:31               ` XFS? Tomas Szepe
2002-09-11  2:34                 ` XFS? Bernd Eckenfels
2002-09-10 22:18             ` XFS? Nick LeRoy
2002-09-10 20:34               ` XFS? Tomas Szepe
2002-09-10 21:01               ` XFS? Steve Lord
2002-09-11  8:43               ` XFS? jw schultz
2002-09-11 15:20                 ` XFS? Nick LeRoy
2002-09-11 17:08                   ` XFS? Hans Reiser
2002-09-11 17:13                     ` [OT] XFS? Joe Kellner
2002-09-11 17:18                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-09-11 19:51                       ` Remco Post
2002-09-11 18:24                     ` XFS? Gerhard Mack
2002-09-11 18:54                     ` XFS? Lorenzo Allegrucci
2002-09-12 18:25                     ` XFS? Bryan Whitehead
2002-09-12 18:33                       ` XFS? Nikita Danilov
2002-09-13 11:44                         ` XFS? Bill Davidsen
2002-09-13 12:44                           ` XFS? Hans Reiser
2002-09-13 15:47                             ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2002-09-12 23:38                       ` XFS? Samuel Flory
2002-09-11 21:21                   ` XFS? jw schultz
2002-09-11 22:41                     ` XFS? Nick LeRoy
2002-09-11 23:01                     ` XFS? Robert Varga
2002-09-12  2:48                       ` XFS? jw schultz
2002-09-11  4:56           ` XFS? Mike Galbraith
2002-09-11 14:55             ` XFS? Shawn
2002-09-11 17:52               ` XFS? Mike Galbraith
2002-09-11 15:12     ` XFS? Bill Davidsen
2002-09-11 16:03       ` XFS? Alan Cox
2002-09-11 18:55         ` XFS? Eric Sandeen
2002-09-11 21:37           ` XFS? Alan Cox
2002-09-13 10:52 XFS? Kostadin Karaivanov
2002-09-13 10:57 ` XFS? Christoph Hellwig
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-09-13  7:47 XFS? Ivan Ivanov
2002-09-13  9:32 ` XFS? Nero
2002-09-13 10:22   ` XFS? Ivan Ivanov
2002-09-13 11:07     ` XFS? Filip Van Raemdonck
2002-09-13 12:42     ` XFS? Hans Reiser
2002-09-13  9:53 ` XFS? Remco Post
2002-09-13 11:38 ` XFS? Hans Reiser
2002-09-13 12:47 ` XFS? Jesse Pollard
2002-09-13 13:33 ` XFS? Ian S. Nelson
     [not found] <3D80CCEF.7070007@tmsusa.com>
2002-09-12 17:53 ` XFS? jbradford
     [not found] <200209121553.g8CFrrEh003646@dstl.gov.uk>
2002-09-12 16:03 ` XFS? Tony Gale
2002-09-13  5:58   ` XFS? Tomas Szepe
2002-09-12 15:27 XFS? Martin Knoblauch
2002-09-12 15:53 ` XFS? jbradford
2002-09-12 17:06   ` XFS? Thunder from the hill
2002-09-12 17:28     ` XFS? Joe Kellner
2002-09-12 17:44       ` XFS? Thunder from the hill
2002-09-12 17:54         ` XFS? Joe Kellner
2002-09-12 17:09   ` XFS? Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-09-12 17:45     ` XFS? Thunder from the hill
2002-09-12 13:54 XFS? Martin Knoblauch
2002-09-12 13:42 XFS? Martin Knoblauch
2002-09-12 15:00 ` XFS? jbradford
2002-09-13 11:53   ` XFS? Bill Davidsen
2002-09-13 12:27     ` XFS? jbradford
2002-09-13 13:21     ` XFS? jlnance
     [not found] <1059487013@toto.iv>
2002-09-11  0:31 ` XFS? Peter Chubb
2002-09-09 19:38 XFS? khromy
     [not found] ` <3D7CFEE5.3030600@netscape.net>
2002-09-09 20:08   ` XFS? Wade
2002-09-09 20:16     ` XFS? Tomas Szepe
2002-09-09 20:43     ` XFS? Arador
2002-09-09 21:18     ` XFS? Shawn
2002-09-09 22:31     ` XFS? Rik van Riel
2002-09-10  6:23       ` XFS? Wade
2002-09-10 13:24         ` XFS? Gerhard Mack
2002-09-09 21:00 ` XFS? Thunder from the hill
2002-09-09 22:29   ` XFS? Joe Kellner

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