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From: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
To: Tom Sightler <ttsig@tuxyturvy.com>
Cc: Linux-Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: 2.4.6-pre2, pre3 VM Behavior
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:21:10 -0300 (BRST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0106131716510.1742-100000@duckman.distro.conectiva> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <992460707.3b27bfa31aa98@eargle.com>

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Tom Sightler wrote:

> 1.  Transfer of the first 100-150MB is very fast (9.8MB/sec via 100Mb Ethernet,
> close to wire speed).  At this point Linux has yet to write the first byte to
> disk.  OK, this might be an exaggerated, but very little disk activity has
> occured on my laptop.
>
> 2.  Suddenly it's as if Linux says, "Damn, I've got a lot of data to flush,
> maybe I should do that" then the hard drive light comes on solid for several
> seconds.  During this time the ftp transfer drops to about 1/5 of the original
> speed.
>
> 3.  After the initial burst of data is written things seem much more reasonable,
> and data streams to the disk almost continually while the rest of the transfer
> completes at near full speed again.
>
> Basically, it seems the kernel buffers all of the incoming file up to nearly
> available memory before it begins to panic and starts flushing the file to disk.
>  It seems it should start to lazy write somewhat ealier.
> Perhaps some of this is tuneable from userland and I just don't
> know how.

Actually, it already does the lazy write earlier.

The page reclaim code scans up to 1/4th of the inactive_dirty
pages on the first loop, where it does NOT write things to
disk.

On the second loop, we start asynchronous writeout of data
to disk and and scan up to 1/2 of the inactive_dirty pages,
trying to find clean pages to free.

Only when there simply are no clean pages we resort to
synchronous IO and the system will wait for pages to be
cleaned.

After the initial burst, the system should stabilise,
starting the writeout of pages before we run low on
memory. How to handle the initial burst is something
I haven't figured out yet ... ;)

> Anyway, things are still much better, with older kernels things
> would almost seem locked up during those 10-15 seconds but now
> my apps stay fairly responsive (I can still type in AbiWord,
> browse in Mozilla, etc).

This is due to this smarter handling of the flushing of
dirty pages and due to a more subtle bug where the system
ended up doing synchronous IO on too many pages, whereas
now it only does synchronous IO on _1_ page per scan ;)

regards,

Rik
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-13 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-13 19:31 2.4.6-pre2, pre3 VM Behavior Tom Sightler
2001-06-13 20:21 ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2001-06-14  1:49   ` Tom Sightler
2001-06-14  3:16     ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14  7:59       ` Laramie Leavitt
2001-06-14  9:24         ` Helge Hafting
2001-06-14 17:38           ` Mark Hahn
2001-06-15  8:27             ` Helge Hafting
2001-06-14  8:47       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-14 20:23         ` Roger Larsson
2001-06-15  6:04           ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-14 20:39         ` John Stoffel
2001-06-14 20:51           ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-14 21:33           ` John Stoffel
2001-06-14 22:23             ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-15 15:23           ` spindown [was Re: 2.4.6-pre2, pre3 VM Behavior] Pavel Machek
2001-06-16 20:50             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-16 21:06               ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-16 21:25                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-16 21:44                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-16 21:54                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-17 10:28                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-17 10:05                   ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-17 12:49                     ` (lkml)Re: " thunder7
2001-06-17 16:40                       ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-18 14:22                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-19  4:35                       ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-20  1:50                       ` [RFC] Early flush (was: spindown) Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 20:58                         ` Tom Sightler
2001-06-20 22:09                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-24  3:20                           ` Anuradha Ratnaweera
2001-06-24 11:14                             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-24 15:06                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-24 16:21                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20  4:39                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-20 14:29                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 16:12                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-22 23:25                           ` Daniel Kobras
2001-06-23  5:10                             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-25 11:33                               ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-25 11:31                           ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-18 20:21             ` spindown Simon Huggins
2001-06-19 10:46               ` spindown Pavel Machek
2001-06-20 16:52                 ` spindown Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 17:32                   ` spindown Rik van Riel
2001-06-20 18:00                     ` spindown Daniel Phillips
2001-06-21 16:07                 ` spindown Jamie Lokier
2001-06-22 22:09                   ` spindown Daniel Kobras
2001-06-28  0:27                   ` spindown Troy Benjegerdes
2001-06-14 15:10       ` 2.4.6-pre2, pre3 VM Behavior John Stoffel
2001-06-14 18:25         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-14  8:30   ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10106140024230.980-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2001-06-14  2:08 ` Tom Sightler

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