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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Bill Huey <billh@gnuppy.monkey.org>
Cc: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Native POSIX Thread Library 0.1
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:20:10 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209201658240.5862-100000@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020920120606.GA4961@gnuppy.monkey.org>


On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Bill Huey wrote:

> The JVM needs a couple of pretty critical things that are a bit off from
> the normal Posix threading standard. One of them is very fast thread
> suspension for both individual threads and the all threads accept the
> currently running one...

the user contexts for active but preempted threads are stored in the
kernel stack. To support GC safepoints we need fast access to the current
state of every not voluntarily preempted thread. This is admittedly easier
if threads are abstraced in user-space [in which case the context is
stored in user-space], but the question is, what is more important, an
occasional pass of garbage collection, or the cost of doing IO?

until then it can be done via sending SIGSTOP/SIGCONT to the process PID
from the garbage collection thread, which should stop all threads pretty
efficiently in 2.5.35+ kernels. Then all threads that are not voluntarily
sleeping can be fixed up via ptrace calls.

and it can be further improved by tracking preempted user contexts in the
scheduler and giving fast access to them via a syscall. (all voluntarily
sleeping contexts can properly prepare their suspension state in
userspace.) So it's possible to do it efficiently.

how frequently does the GC thread run?

	Ingo


  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-20 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-20  0:41 [ANNOUNCE] Native POSIX Thread Library 0.1 Ulrich Drepper
2002-09-20  0:51 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-20  1:35   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-09-20  1:42     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-20  1:56 ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-20  2:01 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-20  2:15   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-09-20  2:40     ` Dave Hansen
2002-09-20  2:47     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-20  2:17   ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-20  2:24     ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-20  2:32       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-09-20  6:01       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-20  8:02         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-20  2:23   ` Anton Blanchard
2002-09-20  7:52   ` 100,000 threads? [was: [ANNOUNCE] Native POSIX Thread Library 0.1] Ingo Molnar
2002-09-20 15:47     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-20  9:53 ` [ANNOUNCE] Native POSIX Thread Library 0.1 Padraig Brady
2002-09-20 13:28   ` Robert Love
2002-09-20 16:01     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-20  9:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2002-09-20 10:53   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-20 19:04   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-09-20 23:06     ` J.A. Magallon
2002-09-20 23:33       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-09-20 23:42         ` J.A. Magallon
2002-09-20 10:20 ` Bill Huey
2002-09-20 10:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-20 12:06     ` Bill Huey
2002-09-20 16:20       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2002-09-20 21:50         ` Bill Huey
2002-09-20 22:30           ` dean gaudet
2002-09-20 23:11             ` Bill Huey
2002-09-21  3:38               ` dean gaudet
2002-09-21  4:01                 ` Bill Huey
2002-09-21  5:06                   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-20 23:45           ` Bill Huey
2002-09-21  4:58             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-22  2:51               ` Bill Huey
2002-09-21  4:48           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-22  1:38             ` Bill Huey
2002-09-22 13:38           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-22 18:41             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-09-22 22:13               ` dean gaudet
2002-09-26 17:21                 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-23  0:11               ` Bill Huey
2002-09-24 16:07                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-09-24 23:21                   ` Bill Huey
2002-09-25  3:06                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-09-23 21:12             ` Bill Huey
2002-09-20 10:35 ` Luca Barbieri
2002-09-20 11:19   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-20 18:40     ` Roland McGrath
2002-09-20 21:21       ` Luca Barbieri
2002-09-20 12:37 ` jlnance
2002-09-20 16:42   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-24  0:40     ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-24  5:47       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-24  6:15         ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-20 15:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-20 16:15   ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-09-20 17:16     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-20  7:46 Joerg Pommnitz
2002-09-22 18:55 Peter Waechtler
2002-09-22 21:32 ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-23 10:05   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-23 11:55     ` Peter Waechtler
2002-09-23 19:14       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-29 23:26         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2002-09-30 14:54           ` Corey Minyard
2002-09-23 15:30     ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-23 19:44       ` Olivier Galibert
2002-09-23 19:48       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-23 20:32         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-24  0:03           ` Andy Isaacson
2002-09-24  0:10             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-24  0:14               ` Andy Isaacson
2002-09-24  5:53             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-24 20:34             ` David Schwartz
2002-09-24  7:12           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-24  7:30             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-23 22:35         ` Mark Mielke
2002-09-23 19:59       ` Peter Waechtler
2002-09-23 20:36         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-23 21:08           ` Peter Wächtler
2002-09-23 22:44             ` Mark Mielke
2002-09-23 23:01               ` Bill Huey
2002-09-23 23:11                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-09-24  0:21                   ` Bill Huey
2002-09-24  3:20                     ` Mark Mielke
2002-09-23 23:57           ` Andy Isaacson
2002-09-24 18:10             ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-09-23 21:32       ` Bill Huey
2002-09-23 21:41       ` dean gaudet
2002-09-23 22:10         ` Bill Huey
2002-09-23 22:56         ` Mark Mielke
2002-09-24 10:02       ` Nikita Danilov
2002-09-23 21:22     ` Bill Huey
2002-09-23 21:03 ` Bill Huey
2002-09-24 12:03   ` Michael Sinz
2002-09-24 13:40     ` Peter Svensson
2002-09-24 14:20       ` Michael Sinz
2002-09-24 20:19 ` David Schwartz
2002-09-24 21:10   ` Chris Friesen
2002-09-24 21:22     ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-24 21:35       ` Roberto Peon
2002-09-24 21:35       ` Chris Friesen
2002-09-25 19:02     ` David Schwartz
2002-09-24 23:16   ` Peter Waechtler
2002-09-24 23:23     ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-25 19:05     ` David Schwartz
2002-09-23 16:36 Matthias Urlichs
     [not found] <987738530@toto.iv>
2002-09-24  2:48 ` Peter Chubb
2002-09-24  3:37   ` Mark Mielke

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