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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Duncan Sands <baldrick@free.fr>
Cc: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>, Vince <fuzzy77@free.fr>,
	"Randy.Dunlap" <rddunlap@osdl.org>, <mfedyk@matchmail.com>,
	<zwane@holomorphy.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	USB development list <linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [OOPS,  usbcore, releaseintf] 2.6.0-test10-mm1
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:08:14 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0312091057150.1033-100000@ida.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200312091136.07183.baldrick@free.fr>

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Duncan Sands wrote:

> There is another solution by the way, which involves changes in the core:
> make dev->serialize into a read/write semaphore, and have disconnect
> be called with a READ lock taken on dev->serialize.  Then in usbfs, I can
> take a read lock on dev->serialize whenever I want to rummage around
> in the device configuration.  This way things can be left as they are (i.e.
> keep ps->devsem) and deadlock will not occur as long as usbfs only
> takes read locks on dev->serialize.  Of course calls to usb_set_configuration
> may deadlock as now unless you drop ps->devsem before calling, but I'm
> sure this can be dealt with (this is because it needs a write lock on
> dev->serialize).  I quite like this solution because it makes
> things more robust: as long as device drivers only take a read lock on
> dev->serialize, they should not deadlock for this reason.  (These deadlock
> possibilities are a fundamental problem because drivers call into the
> core (which makes itself atomic using dev->serialize and friends), but
> the core also calls back into drivers via disconnect methods which it
> wants to make atomic by holding the same lock).

Here's how I see it.

dev->serialize is meant to protect significant state changes, things like
set_configuration and device disconnect.  ps->devsem is meant to protect
against usbfs trying to do two things to the device at the same time.  
But you also want to protect against usbfs using the device during a state
change.  (The normal protection mechanisms don't work because usbfs might
be using a device without having a driver bound to any of its interfaces.)  
Given that, there's no reason usbfs shouldn't just use serialize instead
of devsem.

The fact that the core calls driver_disconnect with serialize already held 
then just makes your life simpler: You don't need to acquire the lock 
yourself!

The only tricky part is that you have to release serialize (which now is
your only lock) before calling set_configuration.  But as you said, you
would have to release ps->devsem anyway, so nothing's lost there.

Anything wrong with this approach?

Alan Stern


  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-09 16:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-26 16:51 [kernel panic @ reboot] 2.6.0-test10-mm1 Vince
2003-11-26 17:16 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-11-26 17:34   ` Vince
2003-11-26 17:35     ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-11-26 17:40     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-11-26 17:54       ` Vince
2003-11-26 18:18         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-11-26 23:37           ` Mike Fedyk
2003-11-26 23:41             ` Vince
2003-12-03  0:03               ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-12-03  0:31                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-03  0:27                   ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-12-03 13:28                     ` Vince
2003-12-03 19:12                       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-12-04  1:01                         ` Vince
2003-12-04  1:34                           ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-04  4:11                             ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-12-04 10:59                               ` [OOPS, usbcore, releaseintf] 2.6.0-test10-mm1 Vince
2003-12-04 11:14                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-04 16:57                                   ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-12-05  7:38                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-05 10:11                                       ` Vince
2003-12-05 10:18                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-05 10:34                                           ` Vince
2003-12-07  0:25                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-07 21:09                                           ` Vince
2003-12-07 21:24                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-07 22:24                                               ` Vince
2003-12-07 22:54                                               ` Vince
2003-12-08 10:10                                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-08 16:03                                                   ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2003-12-08 16:15                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-08 16:31                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-08 17:20                                                         ` David Brownell
2003-12-08 17:59                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-08 18:35                                                           ` Alan Stern
2003-12-08 19:53                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-08 21:32                                                               ` Alan Stern
2003-12-08 21:55                                                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-08 23:09                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2003-12-09 10:23                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 15:55                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-09 20:36                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 10:36                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 16:08                                                                       ` Alan Stern [this message]
2003-12-09 20:24                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 10:49                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 15:47                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-09 21:12                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 21:58                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2003-12-09 22:07                                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 22:25                                                                               ` David Brownell
2003-12-09 22:33                                                                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10  3:12                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2003-12-10  3:43                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2003-12-10 13:12                                                                                   ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 15:13                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2003-12-10 15:30                                                                                   ` Greg KH
2003-12-10 16:02                                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 20:53                                                                                       ` Greg KH
2003-12-11  8:49                                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-11  9:23                                                                                           ` Greg KH
2003-12-11  9:29                                                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 17:25                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2003-12-10 20:46                                                                                       ` Greg KH
2003-12-10 21:08                                                                                         ` Greg KH
2003-12-11  2:10                                                                                           ` Vince
2003-12-11  6:46                                                                                             ` Greg KH
2003-12-10 22:08                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2003-12-11  6:47                                                                                           ` Greg KH
2003-12-10  4:31                                                                               ` Vince
2003-12-10  1:49                                                                       ` Greg KH
2003-12-10 13:22                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 16:20                                                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-10 16:49                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 16:58                                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-11  9:45                                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-11 10:19                                                                               ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-11 21:43                                                                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-11 22:57                                                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-11 23:30                                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-12  0:02                                                                                     ` David Brownell
2003-12-10 17:34                                                                           ` David Brownell
2003-12-10 17:54                                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 18:19                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2003-12-11  9:36                                                                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-11 15:19                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2003-12-11 21:23                                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-12 15:46                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-11 21:29                                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-12 16:18                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-12 18:37                                                                                         ` David Brownell
2003-12-12 19:17                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2003-12-12 19:45                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2003-12-12 20:48                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2003-12-12 21:01                                                                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-12 21:27                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2003-12-12 23:36                                                                                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-13  1:10                                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-13 11:52                                                                                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-12 18:50                                                                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-10 19:43                                                                               ` David Brownell
2003-12-11  9:21                                                                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 17:21                                                                       ` David Brownell
2003-12-11  9:42                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-12  2:21                                                           ` David Brownell
2003-12-12  8:47                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-12 15:35                                                             ` bill davidsen
2003-12-05  0:08                               ` [kernel panic @ reboot] 2.6.0-test10-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-11-27  0:59           ` [kernel panic @ reboot in usbcore] 2.6.0-test10-mm1 (culprit: modem_run) Vince
2003-11-27  3:13             ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-11-27  8:14               ` Vince
2003-11-27  8:11             ` Duncan Sands

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