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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:16:43 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0912071811300.15701-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0912071426100.3560@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Alan Stern wrote:
> > 
> > There's no need to suspend the individual devices when the whole system 
> > is going down.  They will automatically suspend when the controller 
> > stops sending out SOF packets, which occurs when the root hub is 
> > suspended.  The USB spec describes this, grandiosely, as a "global 
> > suspend".
> 
> Ahh, but the sync vs async would then still matter on resume. No?

That's complicated.  If we assume the devices weren't runtime-suspended 
before the sleep began, then they would automatically resume themselves 
when the controller started transmitting EOF packets.  So in that case 
resume would be fast and async wouldn't matter.

But if the devices were runtime-suspended, then what?  The safest
course is to resume them during the system-wide resume.  In that case
yes, the sync vs async would matter.

And if (as happens on many machines) the firmware messes up the
controller settings during resume, then all the USB devices would have
to be reset -- another slow procedure.

Alan Stern


  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-07 23:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 235+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-05 21:16 [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-05 21:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-05 21:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-05 23:55     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  0:45       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06  1:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  1:58           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06  8:39             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-06  0:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06  1:54         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  1:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  2:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06  2:36             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06 15:23             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 19:04               ` [linux-pm] " Victor Lowther
2009-12-07  3:57               ` Zhang Rui
2009-12-07  5:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07  6:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-17 23:28                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-12-07  6:37                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07 15:13                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 16:31                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 16:55                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 17:52                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 18:05                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 20:37                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 20:48                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 21:32                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 21:41                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 21:47                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 22:01                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 22:06                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 22:21                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-07 22:26                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 23:16                                           ` Alan Stern [this message]
2009-12-07 22:02                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 22:16                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 23:51                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08  3:27                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 12:23                                           ` Async resume patch (was: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 12:35                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 15:35                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 15:55                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 16:42                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 18:08                                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 18:41                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 18:52                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 19:34                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 19:30                                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 20:48                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 21:32                                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 21:52                                                             ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-12-08 22:16                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 19:06                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 21:52                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 19:44                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 20:16                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 20:30                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 20:44                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 20:52                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 21:40                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 21:48                                                           ` spinlock in completion_done() (was: Re: Async resume patch (was: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33)) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09  9:29                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-09 22:37                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10  7:59                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-11  4:10                                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2009-12-11  7:54                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-12 23:07                                                                   ` [PATCH] sched: Make wakeup side variants of completion API irq safe (was: Re: spinlock in completion_done()) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-13  7:36                                                                     ` [tip:sched/urgent] sched: Make wakeup side and atomic variants of completion API irq safe tip-bot for Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 22:18                                                           ` Async resume patch (was: Re: [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33) Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09  2:11                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 21:08                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 21:13                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 22:07                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 22:30                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09  2:23                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 21:56                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09 22:27                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-08 22:32                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09  2:35                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09  2:54                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 15:24                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 15:38                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 15:57                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-25 17:09                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-09 13:38                                                           ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 15:49                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 16:02                                                               ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 16:23                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 16:46                                                                   ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 16:57                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 17:45                                                                       ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 17:57                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 18:27                                                                           ` Mark Brown
2009-12-09 17:10                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 17:19                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-09 18:08                                                                       ` Mark Brown
2009-12-08 21:04                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-08 21:40                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 22:03                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 22:55                                                       ` Async suspend-resume patch w/ rwsems " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-08 23:24                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09 20:15                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 22:18                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-09 22:38                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-09 23:18                                                               ` Async suspend-resume patch w/ completions (was: Re: Async suspend-resume patch w/ rwsems) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10  2:51                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 19:40                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10 23:30                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11  1:02                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-11  1:25                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11  3:42                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-11 22:17                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-12  0:38                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-11 22:11                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-11 22:31                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11 23:48                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-11 23:53                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-12 17:48                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-12 18:54                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-12 22:34                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-12 22:40                                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-14 18:21                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-14 22:11                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-14 22:41                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-14 22:43                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-14 23:18                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15  0:10                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15  0:11                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 11:14                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15 15:31                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 11:03                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15 15:26                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 15:55                                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-15 16:28                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 18:57                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 20:26                                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-12-15 21:26                                                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-15 22:01                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-15 21:54                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-15 22:27                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-16  2:11                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16  6:40                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-18 22:43                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 19:59                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 21:33                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 22:29                                                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 22:43                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 22:47                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 23:10                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:22                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-19 23:33                                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:23                                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-19 23:40                                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:46                                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-19 23:47                                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-19 23:54                                                                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-19 23:53                                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20  0:09                                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-20  0:35                                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20  2:41                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-20 19:25                                                                                                                                 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-21  7:39                                                                                                                                   ` [linux-pm] Async suspend-resume patch w/ completions (was: Re: Async?suspend-resume " Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-21 11:20                                                                                                                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2009-12-20  2:45                                                                                                                             ` Async suspend-resume patch w/ completions (was: Re: Async suspend-resume " Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-20  3:59                                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 12:52                                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20 17:12                                                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 18:10                                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20 19:38                                                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 19:51                                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 15:22                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-16 19:26                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 15:47                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-16 19:27                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 20:59                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-16 21:57                                                                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 22:11                                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-16 22:33                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-16 23:04                                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-16 23:18                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-17  1:30                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-17  1:49                                                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-17 20:06                                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-17 20:36                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-18  1:51                                                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-18 17:26                                                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-19 21:41                                                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-20  3:48                                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-12-20 12:55                                                                                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-18 23:42                                                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-13 13:08                                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-13 17:30                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-13 19:02                                                                                         ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2009-12-12  0:43                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-12 17:35                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10 15:31                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-10 15:45                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 18:37                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-10 23:51                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 21:14                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-10 22:17                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-12-10 23:45                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 15:15                   ` [GIT PULL] PM updates for 2.6.33 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 16:37                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 20:47                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-07 20:56                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07  5:20               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-07 15:42                 ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 19:35             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 19:58               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06 20:18                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 21:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06 22:54                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  0:55                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  2:27                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  5:26                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  6:00                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-21  9:01                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-07  1:18                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  2:27                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  5:31                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  6:15                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07  6:31                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-07  6:32                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07 15:17                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06 20:36               ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 21:17                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 21:46                   ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06 21:57                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-06 22:04                       ` Alan Stern
2009-12-06  0:29   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  0:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-06  1:24       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-12-06  1:50         ` Linus Torvalds

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