From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>
Cc: LKMM Maintainers -- Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Plain accesses and data races in the Linux Kernel Memory Model
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:19:13 -0500 (EST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1901221114010.1504-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190122154745.GA13659@andrea>
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019, Andrea Parri wrote:
> > @@ -131,7 +159,7 @@ let rec rcu-fence = rcu-gp | srcu-gp |
> > (rcu-fence ; rcu-link ; rcu-fence)
> >
> > (* rb orders instructions just as pb does *)
> > -let rb = prop ; po ; rcu-fence ; po? ; hb* ; pb*
> > +let rb = prop ; po ; rcu-fence ; po? ; hb* ; pb* ; [marked]
>
> Testing has revealed some subtle semantics changes for some RCU tests
> _without_ unmarked memory accesses; an example is reported at the end
> of this email. I suspect that the improvements you mentioned in this
> thread can restore the original semantics but I'm reporting this here
> for further reference.
>
> With the above definition of 'rb', we're losing links which originate
> or target RCU fences, so that this definition is in fact a relaxation
> w.r.t. the current semantics (even when limiting to marked accesses).
> The test below, for example, is currently forbidden by the LKMM, but
> it becomes allowed with this patch.
>
> FWIW, I checked that including the RCU fences in 'marked' can restore
> the original semantics of these tests; I'm still not sure whether this
> change can make sense though....
>
> Thoughts?
Ah, a very good discovery. I think changing marked to ~plain in a few
places would be a better solution. Or maybe allowing plain accesses in
those places will also be okay -- it's hard to judge at this point.
> Oh, one last (and unrelated) nit before I forget: IIUC, we used to
> upper-case set names, so I'd also suggest s/marked/Marked, s/plain/Plain
> and similarly for the other sets to be introduced.
Okay, I'll follow that convention.
Alan
prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-01-22 16:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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[not found] ` <20190114235426.GV1215@linux.ibm.com>
2019-01-15 7:20 ` Plain accesses and data races in the Linux Kernel Memory Model Dmitry Vyukov
2019-01-15 15:03 ` Alan Stern
2019-01-15 15:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-01-15 14:25 ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-15 15:19 ` Alan Stern
2019-01-16 11:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-16 13:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-01-16 15:49 ` Alan Stern
2019-01-16 21:36 ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-17 15:03 ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-17 20:21 ` Alan Stern
2019-01-18 15:10 ` Alan Stern
2019-01-18 15:56 ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-18 16:43 ` Alan Stern
2019-01-17 19:43 ` Alan Stern
2019-01-18 18:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-01-22 15:47 ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-22 16:19 ` Alan Stern [this message]
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