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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>, LKP <lkp@01.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: rcu_read_lock lost its compiler barrier
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 11:56:04 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1906081153140.11124-100000@netrider.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190608151943.GD28207@linux.ibm.com>

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 10:19:43AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Thu, 6 Jun 2019, Andrea Parri wrote:
> > 
> > > This seems a sensible change to me: looking forward to seeing a patch,
> > > on top of -rcu/dev, for further review and testing!
> > > 
> > > We could also add (to LKMM) the barrier() for rcu_read_{lock,unlock}()
> > > discussed in this thread (maybe once the RCU code and the informal doc
> > > will have settled in such direction).
> > 
> > Yes.  Also for SRCU.  That point had not escaped me.
> 
> And it does seem pretty settled.  There are quite a few examples where
> there are normal accesses at either end of the RCU read-side critical
> sections, for example, the one in the requirements diffs below.
> 
> For SRCU, srcu_read_lock() and srcu_read_unlock() have implied compiler
> barriers since 2006.  ;-)
> 
> 							Thanx, Paul
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html b/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html
> index 5a9238a2883c..080b39cc1dbb 100644
> --- a/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html
> +++ b/Documentation/RCU/Design/Requirements/Requirements.html
> @@ -2129,6 +2129,8 @@ Some of the relevant points of interest are as follows:
>  <li>	<a href="#Hotplug CPU">Hotplug CPU</a>.
>  <li>	<a href="#Scheduler and RCU">Scheduler and RCU</a>.
>  <li>	<a href="#Tracing and RCU">Tracing and RCU</a>.
> +<li>	<a href="#Accesses to User Mamory and RCU">
------------------------------------^
> +Accesses to User Mamory and RCU</a>.
---------------------^
>  <li>	<a href="#Energy Efficiency">Energy Efficiency</a>.
>  <li>	<a href="#Scheduling-Clock Interrupts and RCU">
>  	Scheduling-Clock Interrupts and RCU</a>.
> @@ -2521,6 +2523,75 @@ cannot be used.
>  The tracing folks both located the requirement and provided the
>  needed fix, so this surprise requirement was relatively painless.
>  
> +<h3><a name="Accesses to User Mamory and RCU">
----------------------------------^
> +Accesses to User Mamory and RCU</a></h3>
---------------------^

Are these issues especially notable for female programmers?  :-)

Alan


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Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-10  0:57 [rcu] kernel BUG at include/linux/pagemap.h:149! Fengguang Wu
2015-09-10 10:25 ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-10 17:16   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-11  2:19     ` Boqun Feng
     [not found]       ` <CAJzB8QG=1iZW3dQEie6ZSTLv8GZ3YSut0aL1VU7LLmiHQ1B1DQ@mail.gmail.com>
2015-09-11 21:59         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-12  5:46           ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-21 19:30       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-09-21 20:43         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-02  5:56           ` rcu_read_lock lost its compiler barrier Herbert Xu
2019-06-02 20:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03  2:46               ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  3:47                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03  4:01                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  4:17                     ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  7:23                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03  8:42                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 15:26                         ` David Laight
2019-06-03 15:40                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03  5:26                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  6:42                     ` Boqun Feng
2019-06-03 20:03                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-04 14:44                         ` Alan Stern
2019-06-04 16:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-04 17:00                             ` Alan Stern
2019-06-04 17:29                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-07 14:09                             ` inet: frags: Turn fqdir->dead into an int for old Alphas Herbert Xu
2019-06-07 15:26                               ` Eric Dumazet
2019-06-07 15:32                                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-07 16:13                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2019-06-07 16:19                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-08 15:27                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-08 17:42                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-08 17:50                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-08 18:50                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-08 18:14                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  4:51                           ` rcu_read_lock lost its compiler barrier Herbert Xu
2019-06-06  6:05                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  6:14                               ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06  9:06                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  9:28                                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06 10:58                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06 13:38                                       ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06 13:48                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  8:16                           ` Andrea Parri
2019-06-06 14:19                             ` Alan Stern
2019-06-08 15:19                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-08 15:56                                 ` Alan Stern [this message]
2019-06-08 16:31                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03  9:35                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  8:38                 ` Andrea Parri
2019-06-06  9:32                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  0:06             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03  3:03               ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  9:27                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 15:55                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03 16:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03 19:53                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 20:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-04 21:14                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-05  2:21                           ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-05  3:30                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  4:37                               ` Herbert Xu

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