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From: Paul Jakma <paul@clubi.ie>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>
Cc: Joe Thornber <thornber@sistina.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Device-mapper submission for 2.4
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:46:13 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0312092329280.30298@fogarty.jakma.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0312092047450.1289-100000@logos.cnet>

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:

> Its nothing against your or DM itself.
> 
> Let DM be in 2.6. 

Well, how does this leave 2.4 LVM1 users? From my vague 
understanding:

- 2.6 DM does not support the LVM1 interface
- The DM tools library is dropping support for the LVM1 interface

This leaves 2.4 LVM1 users with a /huge/ leap to take if they wish to
test 2.6. Backward compatibility is awkward because of the DM tools
issue (need both old and new installed and some way to pick at boot,
or manually setup LVM), and you're ruling out the other option of
adding forwards compatibility to 2.4.

This isnt a new fs which 2.4 users wont be using, its an existing 
feature that has been reworked during 2.5 and is now incompatible in 
2.6 with 2.4. More over, its a feature on which access to data 
depends.

I'd really like to see one of:

- backwards compat: 2.6 have LVM1 support

- forward compat: 2.4 to have DM support to allow 2.4 users to 
migrate
LVM->DM first /before/ taking the risk on running 2.6.

- the DM tools to support both LVM1 and LVMx in 2.6, on a *long-term* 
  basis

I or others may not migrate to 2.6 for many a year, and when we do,
it'd nice to be able to migrate our data in place (not
backup&restore). Kernel interface compat at least tends to be the
most set in stone and is what I would prefer. Whether forward or
backward doesnt matter, adding compat cruft to a soon-to-be obsolete 
kernel is possibly better than weighing 2.6 down with it for the next 
3+ years.

There are people who store their data in LVM, we need compatibility,
and ideally we'd like to be able to migrate in small steps.

regards,
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  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-09 23:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-09 11:58 Device-mapper submission for 2.4 Joe Thornber
2003-12-09 12:24 ` [Patch 1/4] fs.h: b_journal_head Joe Thornber
2003-12-09 23:46   ` Nathan Scott
2003-12-10  8:46     ` Joe Thornber
2003-12-10 12:06       ` Nathan Scott
2003-12-09 12:25 ` [Patch 2/4] dm: mempool backport Joe Thornber
2003-12-09 12:26 ` [Patch 3/4] dm: core files Joe Thornber
2003-12-09 12:26 ` [Patch 4/4] dm: ioctl interface Joe Thornber
2003-12-09 13:15 ` Device-mapper submission for 2.4 Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-09 13:45   ` Joe Thornber
2003-12-09 14:00     ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-09 14:10       ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2003-12-09 14:21         ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-09 14:16       ` Joe Thornber
2003-12-09 14:24       ` Stefan Smietanowski
2003-12-09 14:10     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-09 14:34       ` Joe Thornber
2003-12-09 21:07         ` Paul Jakma
2003-12-09 22:26           ` Joe Thornber
2003-12-09 22:48             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-09 23:46               ` Paul Jakma [this message]
2003-12-09 23:58                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-10  0:15                   ` Paul Jakma
2003-12-10 11:49                     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-12-10 23:15                     ` Dave Jones
2003-12-10  0:27                 ` Jose Luis Domingo Lopez
2003-12-10  0:59                   ` Tupshin Harper
2003-12-10  9:40                     ` Wichert Akkerman
2003-12-10  2:44                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-12-10 15:55                   ` Paul Jakma
2003-12-10 16:54                     ` venom
2003-12-10 17:00                       ` Paul Jakma
2003-12-10 17:14                         ` venom
2003-12-10 23:40                         ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-11 19:48                           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2003-12-16 19:15                     ` bill davidsen
2003-12-16 19:01                 ` bill davidsen
2003-12-10  8:45             ` Jens Axboe
2003-12-10 17:30               ` Paul Jakma
2003-12-10 17:44                 ` Joe Thornber
2003-12-10 17:48                   ` venom
2003-12-10 18:07                   ` Paul Jakma
2003-12-10 19:30                   ` Jens Axboe
2003-12-09 17:02       ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2003-12-09 22:53         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2003-12-10  3:38         ` Lincoln Dale
2003-12-10  6:12           ` Willy Tarreau
2003-12-10  6:35             ` viro
2003-12-09 17:45       ` Kevin Corry
2003-12-09 19:47         ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2003-12-09 14:23     ` Stefan Smietanowski
2003-12-09 14:36       ` Joe Thornber
2003-12-09 19:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-09 21:13   ` Paul Jakma
2003-12-10  0:49 Carl-Daniel Hailfinger

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