From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261710AbTI3UuJ (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:50:09 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261714AbTI3UuJ (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:50:09 -0400 Received: from [209.195.52.120] ([209.195.52.120]:32227 "HELO warden2.diginsite.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S261710AbTI3UuB (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:50:01 -0400 From: David Lang To: Krishna Akella Cc: Paul Jakma , kartikey bhatt , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Can't X be elemenated? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org they already interoperate (the X layer is where all the different layers interoperate), this apparently isn't good enough or you wouldn't have started this thread. so what is it that you want? David Lang On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Krishna Akella wrote: > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:46:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: Krishna Akella > To: David Lang > Cc: Paul Jakma , kartikey bhatt , > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > Subject: Re: Can't X be elemenated? > > > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, David Lang wrote: > > > different toolkits exist becouse people are solving different problems. > > which set of people do you propose telling that their desires don't > > matter? > > > > you can produce X programs just useing the Xlib libraries, which are > > available on every system and don't require all the bloat of the higher > > leve tools, but do you really want to? the higher level toolkits exist to > > make life easier for the programmer, is the difficulty in selecting which > > toolkit to use really so bad that you want to eliminate all of them > > instead? > "eliminate all of them". I never said that. Infact its all about choice > and freedom that we are using Linux/GNU. > > > this is like sayign that it's to hard to choose a fullscreed text editor, > > you have vi, elvis, vim, emacs, openoffice, abiword, joe, ... choosign > > between them it to complicated so lets eliminate all of them and everyone > > will jsut use ed instead. > again - eliminating all - is a premise you have made. What I was talking > about was the lack of standards. Interoperability is a _desirable_ > feature. > > David Lang > -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan