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From: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, hugh@veritas.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: page fault scalability patch V11 [0/7]: overview
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:44:02 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411220932270.22144@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041120193325.GZ2714@holomorphy.com>

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> I'm not particularly "stuck on" the per-cpu business, it was merely the
> most obvious method of splitting the RSS counter without catastrophes
> elsewhere. Robin Holt's 2.4 performance studies actually show that
> splitting the counter is not even essential.

There is no problem moving back to the atomic approach that is if it is
okay to also make anon_rss atomic. But its a pretty significant
performance hit (comparison with some old data from V4 of patch which
makes this data a bit suspect since the test environment is likely
slightly different. I should really test this again. Note that the old
performance test was only run 3 times instead of 10):

atomic vs. sloppy rss performance 64G allocation:

sloppy rss:

 Gb Rep Threads   User      System     Wall flt/cpu/s fault/wsec
 16  10    1    1.818s    131.556s 133.038s 78618.592  78615.672
 16  10    2    1.736s    121.167s  65.026s 85317.098 160656.362
 16  10    4    1.835s    120.444s  36.002s 85751.810 291074.998
 16  10    8    1.820s    131.068s  25.049s 78906.310 411304.895
 16  10   16    3.275s    194.971s  22.019s 52892.356 472497.962
 16  10   32   13.006s    496.628s  27.044s 20575.038 381999.865

atomic:

 Gb Rep Threads   User      System     Wall flt/cpu/s fault/wsec
 16   3    1    0.610s     61.557s  62.016s 50600.438  50599.822
 16   3    2    0.640s     83.116s  43.016s 37557.847  72869.978
 16   3    4    0.621s     73.897s  26.023s 42214.002 119908.246
 16   3    8    0.596s     86.587s  14.098s 36081.229 209962.059
 16   3   16    0.646s     69.601s   7.000s 44780.269 448823.690
 16   3   32    0.903s    185.609s   8.085s 16866.018 355301.694

Lets go for the approach to move rss into the thread structure but
keep the rss in the mm structure as is (need to take page_table_lock
for update) to consolidate the values. This allows to keep most
of the code as is and the rss in the task struct is only used if
we are not holding page_table_lock.

Maybe we can then find some way to regularly update the rss in the mm
structure to avoid the loop over the tasklist in proc.


  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-22 17:49 UTC|newest]

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2004-11-19 19:42               ` page fault scalability patch V11 [0/7]: overview Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:43                 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [1/7]: sloppy rss Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 20:50                   ` Hugh Dickins
2004-11-20  1:29                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 15:00                       ` Hugh Dickins
2004-11-22 21:50                         ` deferred rss update instead of " Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 22:11                           ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-22 22:13                             ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 22:17                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-11-22 22:45                               ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-22 22:48                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 23:09                                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-22 23:13                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 23:16                                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-22 23:19                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 22:22                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 22:27                             ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 22:40                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-01 23:41                                 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance tests Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:42                                   ` page fault scalability patch V12 [1/7]: Reduce use of thepage_table_lock Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:42                                   ` page fault scalability patch V12 [2/7]: atomic pte operations for ia64 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:43                                   ` page fault scalability patch V12 [3/7]: universal cmpxchg for i386 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:43                                   ` page fault scalability patch V12 [4/7]: atomic pte operations " Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:44                                   ` page fault scalability patch V12 [5/7]: atomic pte operations for x86_64 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:45                                   ` page fault scalability patch V12 [6/7]: atomic pte operations for s390 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:45                                   ` page fault scalability patch V12 [7/7]: Split counter for rss Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:35                                     ` page fault scalability patch V14 [0/7]: Overview Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:35                                       ` page fault scalability patch V14 [1/7]: Avoid taking page_table_lock Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:36                                       ` page fault scalability patch V14 [2/7]: ia64 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:37                                       ` page fault scalability patch V14 [3/7]: i386 universal cmpxchg Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05 11:51                                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-04 19:37                                       ` page fault scalability patch V14 [4/7]: i386 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:38                                       ` page fault scalability patch V14 [5/7]: x86_64 " Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:46                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-04 19:58                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 20:21                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-04 20:32                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:39                                           ` page table lock patch V15 [0/7]: overview Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:40                                             ` page table lock patch V15 [1/7]: Reduce use of page table lock Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:41                                             ` page table lock patch V15 [2/7]: ia64 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:41                                             ` page table lock patch V15 [3/7]: i386 universal cmpxchg Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:42                                             ` page table lock patch V15 [4/7]: i386 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:43                                             ` page table lock patch V15 [5/7]: x86_64 " Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:43                                             ` page table lock patch V15 [6/7]: s390 " Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:44                                             ` page table lock patch V15 [7/7]: Split RSS counter Christoph Lameter
2005-01-12  5:59                                             ` page table lock patch V15 [0/7]: overview Nick Piggin
2005-01-12  9:42                                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-12 12:29                                                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-12 12:43                                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-01-12 21:22                                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2005-01-12 23:52                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13  2:52                                                       ` Hugh Dickins
2005-01-13 17:05                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-12 16:39                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-12 16:49                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-12 17:37                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-12 17:41                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-12 17:52                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-12 18:04                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-12 18:20                                                           ` Andrew Walrond
2005-01-12 18:43                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-12 19:06                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-14  3:39                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-14  4:14                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 12:02                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-12 23:16                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-12 23:30                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-12 23:50                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-12 23:54                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13  0:10                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-13  0:16                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13  0:42                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-13 22:19                                                                   ` Peter Chubb
2005-01-13  3:18                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-13 17:11                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13 17:25                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 18:02                                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-13 18:16                                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13 20:17                                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14  1:09                                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-14  4:39                                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14  4:52                                                                           ` page table lock patch V15 [0/7]: overview II Andi Kleen
2005-01-14  4:59                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 10:47                                                                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 10:57                                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 11:11                                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 16:57                                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-14  4:54                                                                           ` page table lock patch V15 [0/7]: overview Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 10:46                                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 16:52                                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-14 17:01                                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 17:08                                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-14 17:11                                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 17:43                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-28 20:35                                                                               ` page fault scalability patch V16 [0/4]: redesign overview Christoph Lameter
2005-01-28 20:36                                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [1/4]: avoid intermittent clearing of ptes Christoph Lameter
2005-01-28 20:36                                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [2/4]: mm counter macros Christoph Lameter
2005-01-28 20:37                                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock in handle_mm_fault Christoph Lameter
2005-02-01  4:08                                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-01 18:47                                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-02-01 19:01                                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-02-02  0:31                                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-02  1:20                                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-02-02  1:41                                                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-02  2:49                                                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2005-02-02  3:09                                                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-04  6:27                                                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-17  0:57                                                                                         ` page fault scalability patchsets update: prezeroing, prefaulting and atomic operations Christoph Lameter
2005-02-24  6:04                                                                                           ` A Proposal for an MMU abstraction layer Christoph Lameter
2005-02-01  4:16                                                                                   ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock in handle_mm_fault Nick Piggin
2005-02-01  8:20                                                                                     ` Kernel 2.4.21 hangs up baswaraj kasture
2005-02-01  8:35                                                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-02-01  9:03                                                                                       ` Christian Hildner
2005-02-07  6:14                                                                                         ` Kernel 2.4.21 gives kernel panic at boot time baswaraj kasture
2005-02-01 17:46                                                                                       ` Kernel 2.4.21 hangs up David Mosberger
2005-02-01 17:54                                                                                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2005-02-01 18:08                                                                                           ` David Mosberger
2005-02-01 18:44                                                                                     ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock in handle_mm_fault Christoph Lameter
2005-01-28 20:38                                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [4/4]: Drop page_table_lock in do_anonymous_page Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13  3:09                                                           ` page table lock patch V15 [0/7]: overview Hugh Dickins
2005-01-13  3:46                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-13 17:14                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 21:21                                         ` page fault scalability patch V14 [5/7]: x86_64 atomic pte operations Brian Gerst
2005-01-04 21:26                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:38                                       ` page fault scalability patch V14 [6/7]: s390 atomic pte operationsw Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:39                                       ` page fault scalability patch V14 [7/7]: Split RSS counters Christoph Lameter
2004-12-02  0:10                                   ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance tests Linus Torvalds
2004-12-02  0:55                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02  1:46                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-02  6:21                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-12-02  6:34                                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02  6:48                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-12-02  7:02                                           ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02  7:26                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-12-02  7:31                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-12-02 18:10                                                 ` cliff white
2004-12-02 18:17                                                   ` Gerrit Huizenga
2004-12-02 20:25                                                   ` linux-os
2004-12-08 17:24                                                   ` Anticipatory prefaulting in the page fault handler V1 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-08 17:33                                                     ` Jesse Barnes
2004-12-08 17:56                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-08 18:33                                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2004-12-08 21:26                                                         ` David S. Miller
2004-12-08 21:42                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-08 17:55                                                     ` Dave Hansen
2004-12-08 19:07                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-12-08 22:50                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-12-09 19:32                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-10  2:13                                                         ` [OT:HUMOR] " Adam Heath
2004-12-13 14:30                                                         ` Akinobu Mita
2004-12-13 17:10                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-13 22:16                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-12-14  1:32                                                               ` Anticipatory prefaulting in the page fault handler V2 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-14 19:31                                                                 ` Adam Litke
2004-12-15 19:03                                                                   ` Anticipatory prefaulting in the page fault handler V3 Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05  0:29                                                                   ` Anticipatory prefaulting in the page fault handler V4 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-14 12:24                                                             ` Anticipatory prefaulting in the page fault handler V1 Akinobu Mita
2004-12-14 15:25                                                               ` Akinobu Mita
2004-12-14 20:25                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-09 10:57                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-09 11:32                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-09 17:05                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-14 15:28                                                     ` Adam Litke
2004-12-02 18:43                                               ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance tests cliff white
2004-12-06 19:33                                                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-12-02 16:24                                             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2004-12-02 17:34                                             ` cliff white
2004-12-02 19:48                                           ` Diego Calleja
2004-12-02 20:12                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-12-02 20:30                                               ` Diego Calleja
2004-12-02 21:08                                               ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-12-03  0:07                                               ` Francois Romieu
2004-12-02  7:00                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-12-02  7:05                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-12-02  7:11                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-12-02 11:16                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-12-02 14:30                                           ` Andy Warner
2005-01-06 23:40                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-12-02 18:27                                         ` Grant Grundler
2004-12-02 18:33                                           ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 18:36                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-12-07 10:51                                         ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-09  8:00                                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-09 17:03                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-10  4:30                                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-09 18:37                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-09 22:02                                     ` page fault scalability patch V12: rss tasklist vs sloppy rss Christoph Lameter
2004-12-09 22:52                                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-09 22:52                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-09 23:07                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-09 23:29                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-09 23:49                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-10  4:26                                     ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance tests Nick Piggin
2004-12-10  4:54                                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-10  5:06                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-12-10  5:19                                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-10 12:30                                             ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-10 18:43                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-10 21:43                                       ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-10 22:12                                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-10 23:52                                           ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-11  0:18                                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-11  0:44                                               ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-11  0:57                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-11  9:23                                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-12  7:54                                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-12  9:33                                         ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-12  9:48                                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-12 21:24                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-17  3:31                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17  3:32                                             ` page fault scalability patch V13 [0/8]: Overview Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17  3:33                                               ` page fault scalability patch V13 [1/8]: Reduce the use of the page_table_lock Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17  3:33                                               ` page fault scalability patch V13 [2/8]: ia64 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17  3:34                                               ` page fault scalability patch V13 [3/8]: universal cmpxchg for i386 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17  3:35                                               ` page fault scalability patch V13 [4/8]: atomic pte operations " Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17  3:36                                               ` page fault scalability patch V13 [5/8]: atomic pte operations for AMD64 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17  3:38                                               ` page fault scalability patch V13 [7/8]: Split RSS Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17  3:39                                               ` page fault scalability patch V13 [8/8]: Prefaulting using ptep_cmpxchg Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17  5:55                                               ` page fault scalability patch V13 [0/8]: Overview Christoph Lameter
2004-12-10 20:03                                     ` pfault V12 : correction to tasklist rss Christoph Lameter
2004-12-10 21:24                                       ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-10 21:38                                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-11  6:03                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-22 22:32                             ` deferred rss update instead of sloppy rss Nick Piggin
2004-11-22 22:39                               ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 23:14                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-19 19:44                 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [2/7]: page fault handler optimizations Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:44                 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [3/7]: ia64 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:45                 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [4/7]: universal cmpxchg for i386 Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:46                 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [5/7]: i386 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:46                 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [6/7]: x86_64 " Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:47                 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [7/7]: s390 " Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:59                 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [0/7]: overview Linus Torvalds
2004-11-20  1:07                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  1:29                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-20  1:45                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  1:58                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-20  2:06                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-20  1:56                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 18:06                       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-11-20  2:03                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  2:25                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  2:41                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  2:46                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  3:37                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  3:55                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  4:03                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  4:06                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  4:23                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  4:29                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  5:38                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  5:50                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  6:23                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  6:49                                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  6:57                                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-20  7:04                                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-20  7:13                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  8:00                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20 16:59                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-20 17:14                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-20 19:08                                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20 19:16                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-20 19:33                                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-22 17:44                                                     ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2004-11-22 22:43                                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-22 22:51                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-23  2:25                                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20 20:25                                                 ` [OT] " Adam Heath
2004-11-20  7:15                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  7:29                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  7:45                                           ` touch_nmi_watchdog (was: page fault scalability patch V11 [0/7]: overview) Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  7:57                                           ` page fault scalability patch V11 [0/7]: overview Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  8:25                                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  2:04                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  2:18                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  2:34                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  2:40                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  3:04                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  3:14                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  3:43                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  3:58                               ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20  4:01                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  4:34                                 ` Robin Holt
2004-11-20  3:33                           ` Robin Holt
2004-11-20  4:24                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20  2:06                 ` Robin Holt

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