From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262420AbUK3XSO (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:18:14 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262432AbUK3XK1 (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:10:27 -0500 Received: from fw.osdl.org ([65.172.181.6]:8357 "EHLO mail.osdl.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262420AbUK3XGu (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:06:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:05:43 -0800 (PST) From: Linus Torvalds To: Mariusz Mazur cc: Alexandre Oliva , David Howells , Paul Mackerras , Greg KH , David Woodhouse , Matthew Wilcox , hch@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, libc-hacker@sources.redhat.com Subject: Re: [RFC] Splitting kernel headers and deprecating __KERNEL__ In-Reply-To: <200411302352.51849.mmazur@kernel.pl> Message-ID: References: <200411302352.51849.mmazur@kernel.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Mariusz Mazur wrote: > > Userland? And who's using vanilla kernel headers in userland? Duplicates > maintainers can always fix stuff independent of kernel (and I do). Dammit, how hard is it for people to admit that they aren't the only ones around? There are still people who use ancient setups, and upgrade the kernel. They won't complain to _you_ or to redhat when their setup breaks, because they aren't _using_ your setup. They complain to me. This is what statisticians call "self-selection". It means that you guys only see the part of the world that uses your stuff, so you think that there is nothing else. > I don't get your point. Very obviously. Linus